Microsoft requiring DMARC now or just us?

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20 points | by speckx 2 days ago ago

14 comments

  • jared_stewart 2 days ago

    No, this seems like a big thing that silently happened in the last 24 hours without announcement.

    Since roughly November 5, Outlook Hotmail, Live and MSN are rejecting some mail from domains without DMARC records.

    This includes low volume domains with passing SPF and DKIM results.

    The specific bounce we are seeing is "550 5.7.1 Message rejected: Message lacks SPF/DKIM/DMARC Auth Records".

    This is a different outcome from the high volume sender rule (5.7.515) which is part of why this looks like an unannounced extension. I haven't seen anything from Microsoft confirming any change.

    The current fix is minimal - just add a DMARC record of something like `v=DMARC1; p=none;` if a domain already has a record though, leave it alone.

  • proactivesvcs 2 days ago

    There's some discussion of this on Mastodon, started by Mythic Beasts, who spotted it yesterday:

    https://social.mythic-beasts.com/@beasts/117569497236204746

  • throwaway81523 2 days ago

    I got a notification email about this from mxroute.com (email host) yesterday.

  • simonklitj 2 days ago

    Same for us, yes. Error messages started popping up November 5th.

    • speleding a day ago

      For us it started on November 6th, and has been increasing on 7th and 8th

      • simonklitj a day ago

        Interesting that no one seems to have been notified of this change. Did setting DMARC solve it for you?

  • Avamander 2 days ago

    About time.

    • 2000UltraDeluxe a day ago

      It really is. There are a lot of problems with the large freemail providers, but requiring DMARC is not one of them.

  • coolestguy 2 days ago

    With how easy spam is now with AI, I welcome the change fully. I’m surprised anyone who reads/posts here wouldn’t have spf and dmarc set up already

  • soahc 2 days ago

    There is another issue that we hit a few months ago which might be related/unrelated. But the total time for Microsoft to lookup your DKIM record and get an answer can't be longer than 500ms or your DKIM fails, their answer is to use faster DNS servers. You'd think 500ms is heaps of time, but if you it include the time to do the NS lookups to see what server to talk to, etc. We were having issue where sending to hotmail/msn from the same account to the same hotmail account would bounce 50% of the time.. It depended on which MS server accepted the incoming SMTP.

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