The SEC Should Block Anthropic's IPO to Protect the Public

(techpolicy.press)

89 points | by cdrnsf an hour ago ago

52 comments

  • titanomachy 11 minutes ago

    > the number of Americans using AI at work fell significantly between the summers of 2025 (46%) and 2026 (33%).

    Surprising. I couldn't find the study they're citing, and they didn't include a link. Anecdotally, my friends across various industries (tech, finance, medicine, scientific research) are all using AI more heavily as time goes on.

  • wqtz 15 minutes ago

    The SEC is less of a protective agency and more of a revenue-generating agency (in practice and to some degree in principle). If Anthropic does not go public, you have nothing to stop them from receiving private funding from sovereign wealth funds. You have to understand that the Vision Fund failure did not mean that overnight sovereign wealth funds stopped making money; they are desperate to invest in private companies, and if you look at some of the, ahh... "stories"... you do not see massive non-Western investment in AI companies yet. But they are sitting on a mountain of cash.

    Moreover, every branch and division across the US government recognizes one thing... the public market is plateauing. It is not a numbers thing; it is a sentiment thing. The post-pandemic tech boom needs to continue, at least be stabilized. AI's expectation to hit the public market is largely keeping a lot of the momentum going.

    If Anthropic does not enter the public market, it is going to be a major distressing event for SEC who make money from regulatory fees and a shit ton of fees from publicly listed companies. There is zero incentive to stop them. The SEC tries its best for the benefit of publicly listed companies, exchanges, brokers, institutional investors etc. who all benefit from the IPO.

  • jawiggins 29 minutes ago

    This author seems to be focused on if Anthropic will continue to grow and return value in the future. But it's disappointing that no one has questioned why they waited so long to go public. If they had gone public at a $100b evaluation, everyday people and pension funds could have invested in and seen the returns that AI has already delivered. Instead, Anthropic leadership runs around saying how AI need to benefit society as a whole rather than a select few, meanwhile they have kept the benefit of >$1t for themselves and refused to share it with others.

    • thevinter 25 minutes ago

      A year ago Anthropic was losing billions per year. I'm sure that if it had listed and then collapsed everyone would've gone "first they run around saying how AI needs to benefit society and then they dump a cash-burning company on pension funds"

      • jawiggins 21 minutes ago

        But pension funds are already invested in them through the VC funds. The only difference is (more) people would be able to invest in Anthropic without paying management fees to middlemen.

        • xvector 7 minutes ago

          Most 401ks and pension funds do not invest in pre IPO companies, this is just blatant misinformation

      • NewJazz 23 minutes ago

        Better to dump it when valuation is low instead of inflated.

      • xienze 9 minutes ago

        Aren't they still losing billions per year?

  • wmf 14 minutes ago

    The only real argument here is that Anthropic has Q3 numbers but they aren't included in the prospectus because they may be bad. Delaying the IPO by a few weeks would solve that problem.

  • stockresearcher 44 minutes ago

    There’s plenty of argument about how if a company has an IPO then they are, by definition, part of the market. And if you bought an index fund that means to represent a part of the market that this company is in, then that company should be in the index fund.

    You had lots of choices, you made this choice, and you can always change your mind. Do we really need to have the government step in to prevent you from having to choose something else?

    • thinkingtoilet 15 minutes ago

      Yes. There are too many people entire retirements on the line to hide behind the usual song and dance people do around this. What's the alternative. Let them proceed, the bubble burst, tank the market, then have the poorest and least equipped people to manage a recession just suffer? This is exactly what a government for the people could do. Or we could just keep letting rich assholes destroy everything with no consequences.

      • nh23423fefe 9 minutes ago

        The poorest least equipped people don't have money in the market. Are you suggesting the SEC is capable of stopping a recession from occuring?

  • cowlevel 31 minutes ago

    The SEC doesn't exist to play favourites. If Anthropic has broken a law they can be blocked for that. If not, then it would be unfair to them to block them for things that other companies with IPOs have done. Live by market primacy, die by market primacy.

  • stingraycharles 22 minutes ago

    If the SEC allowed the SpaceX IPO they most certainly will allow the Anthropic IPO. From my point of view, the Anthropic IPO is a much more genuine one than the shenanigans that were going on with SpaceX, yet we’re all investing into that through ETFs as well.

    Additionally, some ETFs have built in protections to rule out businesses that are not yet profitable (like SpaceX and Anthropic), which I think is a great rule.

    • applebottomjean 19 minutes ago

      If companies were already profitable why would they go public?

      • stingraycharles 8 minutes ago

        To let early investors exit? Most private funds like that have a horizon of 10 years, so they want to sell their investments at some point.

  • singron 24 minutes ago

    If Anthropic can't easily pay all these commitments, what are the odds that they get all their creditors together and negotiate a mini chapter 11 (e.g. by adding 5 years to the commitment timelines, or canceling a proportion of each commitment)? The creditors have no interest in Anthropic going under, and with enough advanced notice, they can pause or cancel their own investments and probably take reduced losses.

  • millspore an hour ago

    Does inclusion in S&P 500 even happen fast enough after IPO to matter here, thought there was usually a wait period before index funds have to buy in?

    • phyzix5761 32 minutes ago

      12 month waiting period plus 4+ quarters of profitable earnings before you qualify for inclusion.

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    • JumpCrisscross an hour ago

      No.

    • msy an hour ago

      The SEC's obligation is to all market participants, not just index fund holders.

      • cgio 28 minutes ago

        Arguably if you consciously choose to invest on a stock there should be no protection or obstacle other than regulated controls. For indices I see the point of extra protection. Where it gets murky is when you look at retirement funds, where you still have no control, but that should be regulation on the funds themselves rather than the stock.

    • sandworm101 an hour ago

      These days? All rules are maybe this or maybe that depending on political winds.

      Frankly, no company should be allowed to IPO without showing steady profit. An exchange or index that promotes IPOs of unprofitable companies diminishes its reputation, and the reputation of all other stocks it indexes.

      Anthropic is free to continue selling shares privately. They can setup a website and take cc payments if the care so much.

      • packetlost 29 minutes ago

        > Frankly, no company should be allowed to IPO without showing steady profit

        This is directly counter to the original point of public markets at all

  • alistairSH 21 minutes ago

    Seems like requiring an audit might be the solution to this issue? Why they (or anybody) can go public, with financials that are little more than a pinky-swear, is beyond me.

  • zzzeek 4 minutes ago

    I'm sorry, evacuate? In our moment of triumph?

  • davidguetta an hour ago

    Are the pensions fund not "automatically" investing in anthropic as soon as it's public because it's in the S&P 500 (like spacex) ?

    • phyzix5761 30 minutes ago

      There's a 12 month waiting period plus the company has to show 4+ quarters of positive net earnings before qualifying to be included.

    • judge2020 an hour ago

      The S&P 500 denied early admission to SpaceX.

    • gloryjulio an hour ago

      Spacex is not included in sp500 yet. Nasdaq is the one fast tracked spacex to dump on the retails

      • andriy_koval an hour ago

        Many funds use Russel indexes, which included SpaceX already

        • derektank an hour ago

          The Russell indices, and other indices like the CRSP total market index, might include newly public companies like SpaceX, but the relative weight of them in the index will be float-adjusted, so a company like SpaceX that has kept a lot of its shares locked up will be underrepresented in the index compared to a more established public company.

        • JumpCrisscross an hour ago

          Many funds use lots of indices. Very few dollars are being forced to buy these offerings.

          • andriy_koval an hour ago

            Russel indexes are used by very large funds, e.g. vanguard usually track russel

            • edoceo 32 minutes ago

              Which Vanguard and at which weight?

              • andriy_koval 23 minutes ago

                the largest 2.3T is https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/VTI/ which tracks CSRP which fasttracked SPaceX

                • derektank 5 minutes ago

                  To be clear, while the CRSP fast tracked SpaceX’s admission to their total market index, that policy (which states that if a security's total market cap is larger than the breakpoint of the CRSP US Small Cap Index, it is can be added after 5 days of trading) has been in place for at least a decade. Unlike SpaceX’s admission to the Nasdaq, this did not represent a change in policy.

  • zer00eyz an hour ago

    It's going to get hammered into oblivion long before it gets to where it can end up on sp500. The election, and what happens after may see them delaying the IPO (if I was one to bet)

    But it also sort of doesn't matter. Anthropic, not in sp500, ends up a fail then the "bubble" pops and the sp500 gets ugly.

    • xur17 30 minutes ago

      > if I was one to bet

      You can do exactly that on Polymarket and make good money if you are right.

    • fullshark 43 minutes ago

      Why do you think they will delay the IPO? I bet there's enough demand to buy their stock.

  • slipperybeluga an hour ago

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  • JumpCrisscross an hour ago

    This is so dumb. Let the market figure it out. If it goes public and crashes, we get a valuable answer that saves tens of billions of wasted capital investment. If it floats, the dude who posts nonsense math can keep filling his subscriptions.

    • digitaltrees an hour ago

      Please edit the first sentence out. Keep it civil.

      As far as your claim, it's fine to say let the market sort it out, but perhaps consider that pension funds and index funds now represent a market distortion that means anthropic crashing is harder and even if it does would happen after the mandatory purchases by the index funds which is basically a transfer from the public to the insiders at anthropic

      • phyzix5761 29 minutes ago

        There's a 12 month waiting period plus the company has to show 4+ quarters of positive net earnings before qualifying to be included in the S&P 500. Pension and index funds are gonna be ok.

      • yorwba 29 minutes ago

        Maybe the SEC should instead block funds from distorting the market by making large predictable transactions, then.

    • andy_ppp an hour ago

      But we all know markets aren’t rational, I’m unconvinced we shouldn’t step in… if I started selling anthrax the government would try to stop me. This product might malfunction and show people how to make said anthrax which would be bad. Same with most things, everyone thinks this is a bubble. I think we should actually just put a cap on how much hardware data centres can buy per year, that would be the sensible solution tbh.

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  • demo4567 43 minutes ago

    The SEC should SEC to protect the public.