US boy names that became girl names and vice versa

(namedaisy.com)

83 points | by xoobdev 2 hours ago ago

55 comments

  • billyp-rva an hour ago

    > Of the 42 names that moved toward girls, 34 were driven mainly by an increase among girls, rather than a decline among boys.

    > Surprisingly, the same pattern held in the opposite direction. Of the 12 names that moved toward boys, 9 shifted mainly because fewer girls were receiving them, rather than because more boys were. In other words, whichever way a name moved, the biggest change usually came from girls.

    This is consistent with the observation that girl's names are more dynamic.

    • zamadatix 2 minutes ago

      It seems there are lots of cases across the board where "women adopt traditionally male thing" has become the norm in this timeframe but not many where "men adopt traditionally female thing" at quite the same rate or scale.

  • ecshafer 29 minutes ago

    There are a few names I think are being confused. Jan, short for Janice is a female name, but Jan in Central / Eastern Europe as a form of John is masculine. Jean the female name and Jean the french male name are different.

    • cvhc 11 minutes ago

      Yeah immigration and mix of similar names from different languages could also be reasons for the (at least perceived) shifts.

  • petemc_ 20 minutes ago

    There was a guy at my school named Hilary who got awful abuse for it. Always wondered why parents would do such a thing to a child.

    • BeetleB 11 minutes ago

      Weird comment, given that it was, not long ago, a common name for a male.

      I'd wager if it weren't for Clinton, most people would still associate it with men.

    • ReptileMan 7 minutes ago

      Because it's there...

    • andix 15 minutes ago

      It's kind of surprising that this is even allowed. A lot of countries require at least the first given name to match the gender. Some names might be deemed suitable for both genders.

      • zahlman 3 minutes ago

        …Why would it be surprising for the USA not to have such a requirement?

      • Jtsummers 10 minutes ago

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilary_(name) - It's not an exclusively female name. But in the US, you can give a kid pretty much any name you want (see the names Musk gives his kids these days).

  • myself248 33 minutes ago

    But Jean (English name, like Jeannie) and Jean (French form of John) are entirely different names, with different pronunciations, that happen to share the same spelling.

    • ekzy 23 minutes ago

      Yep, my wife and I have the same middle name: Jean. I’m French and she’s British :)

  • Aperocky 4 minutes ago

    I'm just really surprised that 21% of Lynn's are boys.

  • Fnoord an hour ago

    My biggest WTF on this (as a foreigner) was the late Lindsey Graham. I always knew Lindsey/Lindsay as a female name.

    Either way, peeking through the list, seems to me names which end with a vowel are usually feminine. However, there's a caveat: names end up shortened, and over time even those get shortened.

    'Brit', 'Britney' for 'Brittany'.

    'Gerry' or 'Geri' or 'Ger' for 'Gareth' (Dutch variant: 'Gerrit'),

    'Pat', 'Patty' for 'Patrick', 'Patricia'.

    'Pen', 'Penny' for 'Penelope'

    'Ash' for 'Ashley'.

    'Tash' or 'Tasha' for 'Natasha', 'Nata(s)cha' (a variant of Nathan/Nathaniel?)

    'Toni', 'Tony', or 'Ton' for 'Antonia', 'Anton', or 'Antonius'.

    Skimming through the quick examples I came up with, one thing stands out: if it ends with an 'a', feminine. I believe this stems from Latin? It also appears Brittany is a very British example, whereas say 'Tony' stems from a Catholic background. People with that background get very traditional names, but they're always practically shortened. Annoyingly, you'd have to mention your complete name on say a form, but otherwise you get a wider choice since you have like three names, and they're relatively long so more variety to pick from.

    • stasomatic 19 minutes ago

      The one that always trips me up is when a man is a Stacey.

    • IncreasePosts 13 minutes ago

      Andrea, Simone, Nicola, Michele, Daniele in Italian are all male names, but English speakers would probably assume the person is female from the name alone.

  • sota_pop 9 minutes ago

    Most interesting thing that stands out to me is the number of names that appear to be what I would consider an abbreviation of a more traditional name.

    e.g. “Pat” is cited, but doesn’t specify whether that refers to Patricia or Patrick.

    • twoodfin 2 minutes ago

      These are presumably from Social Security registrations, so reflecting official given names.

      Another interesting analysis would be the movement back and forth between full names and their associated common diminutives.

  • rolandog 17 minutes ago

    I was very much shocked to see a feminine version of my name used IIRC on Dead Or Alive 4 (DOA4), not knowing the backstory: I think it was a character called Leon was promising to avenge his dead girlfriend, Rolande.

    I've wondered if the women that have carried the name have liked it? In my mind, it's always sounded very blunt so as to be feminine, but I recognize I'm heavily biased when it comes to my own name.

  • cortesoft an hour ago

    I feel like a lot of these can be tied to one famous person with the name causing the gender to flip.

  • bilsbie 13 minutes ago

    I’d be curious if men with female names get rejected out of a lot of job interviews since the employer may have thought they chose a female for DEI and then a man shows up?

    Or maybe it’s a good way to get your foot in the door in todays job market.

    • lkramer 2 minutes ago

      Probably more likely that they don't get the interview because the person reviewing their CV assumed they were a woman...

  • childev 24 minutes ago

    Interesting data. Nightmare color scale for the colorblind.

  • 9991 2 minutes ago

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  • Danox 25 minutes ago

    Most of the names that flip over seem to be names associated with the gentry class, many of the names seem to be neutral, soft very inoffensive names.

  • axus 25 minutes ago

    Most surprising was "Mario" becoming shared. "Maria/Mario" seemed inherently gendered, based on the last letter.

    • bhouston 23 minutes ago

      I think it says "Marlo"? Not "Mario". L, not I.

      • fsckboy 15 minutes ago

        Marlo/Marla is also inherently gendered

        for people from languages that mark gender with an ending (romance languages for instance), putting the "wrong" ending something like a noun would sound odd or change the meaning

  • goda90 36 minutes ago

    A name I was surprised by was someone I know naming their daughter Miles/Myles, which is such a male name in my mind. It might even be based on the Latin word for soldier. It's not one I've seen used for a girl anywhere else, yet.

    • Terr_ 5 minutes ago

      [delayed]

  • neutronicus an hour ago

    I'm gonna credit George RR Martin with flipping Arya in the mid '90s

  • asimovfan an hour ago

    Stevie is a girl's name now?

    • petcat an hour ago

      Such a thing will often happen as the result of a celebrity having the name. For instance, famed Fleetwood Mac singer Stevie Nicks, whose real name was Stephanie.

      • saghm 39 minutes ago

        Years ago, one of the broadcasters for a Red Sox game was doing some ad read about some event Stevie Nicks was going to be at, but they read her name as "Steve Nicks" instead. Someone else in the booth corrected them, and they responded "I know him well, and I call him Steve". A fan apparently sent them a giant poster of Stevie Nicks, and the others put it up in the booth and teased him about it relentlessly during the next game.

      • TFNA 32 minutes ago

        The past tense "was" had me at least looking for an obituary. She is still very much alive

        • petcat 28 minutes ago

          I was referring to the Stephanie part in the past tense. I doubt she's gone by that name since she was a child.

          But yes, Stevie is very much still alive.

      • dfxm12 38 minutes ago

        Interestingly enough, Lindsey, like Lindsey Buckingham, the guitarist of Fleetwood Mac, became a more popular girl's name during Fleetwood Mac's heyday.

    • jeremyjh 31 minutes ago

      In the US, boys would abbreviate Stephen or Steven to Steve. Stevie only for a young boy.

      I’m not sure what they are measuring here though - if it’s only birth certificates then I’m sure Stevie is dominated by girls for a long time.

    • deathanatos an hour ago

      With the shift happening right after the 1976–1980 square, I'd assume people named their daughter after Stevie Nicks.

    • Fnoord an hour ago

      I mean, this is US-centric data, but it is probably a shortening of 'Stephanie' or 'Stefanie' [1], the female variant of 'Stephan' or 'Stefan'. It stems from Greek, apparently: Stephanos. Its variant are used entirely throughout Europe, from Portugal to Russia.

      [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephanie

    • jasonlotito 32 minutes ago

      Now? Let me introduce you to Stevie Nicks.

    • morninglight 36 minutes ago

      Don't be silly.

      Moon Unit is a girls name.

      Stevie is a nickname for the sweetener Stevia.

  • ranger_danger 23 minutes ago

    What about Aaron -> Erin ?

    • libraryofbabel 9 minutes ago

      Aaron is Hebrew and Erin is Irish. They just happen to sound the same.

  • jasonlotito 31 minutes ago

    Sort of reminds me of the color swap of Pink and Blue for Men and Women.

  • moralestapia 43 minutes ago

    Surprised to not see "Jordan" in there, it's the first one that came to my mind.

  • ape4 35 minutes ago

    Good luck to the Perl function Text::GenderFromName()

    Maybe it needs the birthday

    • andix 12 minutes ago

      I guess it's eternally stuck in the 90s. I didn't see Perl in a long time now. 10-15 years ago it was still everywhere.

      edit: No, it's stuck in the 80s: "The data comes from a 5% sampling of Social Security card applications with dates of birth from January 1980 through December 1989"

      https://metacpan.org/pod/Text::GenderFromName#REGARDING-THE-...

    • rconti 19 minutes ago

      I thought you must be joking. You were not!

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  • bhouston 24 minutes ago

    Green to orange? Why not blue to pink? I know it is stereotypical, but it is the natural colouring.

    • boston_clone 20 minutes ago

      I'm not sure what you mean by "natural" coloring, but the association you're describing has also reversed over time; i.e., pink was considered masculine and blue was considered feminine.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gendered_associations_of_pink_...

      • fsckboy 10 minutes ago

        I have heard and I do believe that there are countries that use other colors for babies, but wouldn't trust wikipedia nor its selective sources on any topic like gender; wikipedia is no longer enslaved to the truth.