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30 points | by guitmz 2 hours ago ago

10 comments

  • bkallus 2 minutes ago

    On x86_64 and x32, the syscall number goes in eax, not rax. The upper 32 bits of rax are ignored and can be anything.

  • ReDress an hour ago

    If syscalls are so similar, for instance, like 'read' and 'readv' or 'pread', 'sendmsg' and 'sendmsgv' or 'fork' and 'vfork'.

    Does it still make sense to term or classify them as two distinct syscalls?

    • PhilipRoman an hour ago

      I wouldn't call any of them similar, except for 'pread' maybe. Each one has a lot of subtle semantics. Either way, it's syscall.tbl that determines whether they are distinct syscalls, not the author's page

      • ReDress an hour ago

        I'm just noting this because it makes the number of Linux syscalls seem very exaggerated at a whole around 400 syscalls.

        But, anyways, not like it matters that much but still.

        400 distinct syscalls is a very large number of syscalls if you generally presume they're entirely distinct.

        • adrian_b 33 minutes ago

          The number of Linux syscalls depends on the architecture and on x86-64 there are over 450 Linux syscalls.

          Nonetheless, about one third of those syscalls are obsolete (being replaced by newer improved syscalls), even if a large number of programs are still using them, and about one other third of them are rarely used in the environments familiar to most Linux users, like personal computers and small servers.

          The obsolete syscalls inflate a lot the number of Linux syscalls, because there are a lot of syscalls that were originally defined with an inadequate set of parameters, then they were fixed by adding parameters or changing the meaning of the existing parameters. There are many syscalls were even 3 or 4 attempts were needed until reaching an acceptable definition for their parameters.

          New programs should use only the newest improved syscalls, but the documentation of the Linux syscalls in various places is usually not up-to-date itself, so a lot of people are still using older syscalls, without being aware that they are suboptimal. So the obsolete syscalls will have to be supported forever by the Linux kernels (though in most cases when an obsolete syscall is invoked it just fills the parameters with adjusted values and then it jumps to the current syscall).

        • Joker_vD 31 minutes ago

          Well, there really is about 400 syscall numbers allocated, and each has its own entrypoint in the kernel. That's an entirely objective criterion as opposed to arguing "well, sbrk and mmap (or recv and read) are kinda similar, maybe we should count them as just one syscall instead of two", because in the end we can might as well say "well, technically there is only one syscall, it just has an additional seventh argument that serves as the 'function denominator', like the ioctl's request parameter, you know".

        • PhilipRoman 35 minutes ago

          I think the number is mostly meaningless even if we ignore whether they're distinct or not. Consider ioctl() - it's a single syscall but if I remember correctly the number of subcommands is in the thousands.

    • rustyhancock an hour ago

      It definitely makes sense to have a section "similar syscalls on this architecture" on the details page.

      • guitmz an hour ago

        There's a "Same syscall on other architectures" section already, maybe I could add the Similar section next to it. Edit: but this means it needs a way to actually know they are similar apart from only their names

        • rustyhancock 40 minutes ago

          This maybe unpopular idea if you've avoided AI thus far, but it does seem like an LLM would make short work of that task.