38 comments

  • ouked 4 hours ago
  • 2b3a51 an hour ago

    > "He noticed that the scales were overlapping one another in different directions — in one, they overlapped on top of each other in a clockwise pattern, and the other was in reverse. The fresh eyes of a person who hadn’t been staring at Paulinella for hours identified a curious, distinctive trait. Were they looking at two different species?"

    I found it reassuring that sketching what you see down the microscope is still part of a scientific practice. Also the 'fresh eyes' could perhaps point the way to a more collegiate organisation of research.

  • staplung 2 hours ago

    If you have a decent microscope and want to work on some citizen science that's directly related to the research in this article: https://www.vanettenlab.org/paulinella-consortium

    • deadbabe 19 minutes ago

      What is a “decent microscope”?

  • ____tom____ 6 minutes ago

    They mention this event has only happened handful of times.

    This seems unsupported. More likely is it's happened a large number of times, but has only established a lineage a handful of times.

  • grantsucceeded an hour ago

    this revives my recurring desire to get a good USB microscope. Good, to me, in this context:

    a few hundred bucks

    able to look at microbes

    also able to look at less micro level stuff, like maybe the thing i'm trying to solder or fix

    is it wrong to solicit comments/recommendations here?

    • PhilipRoman 27 minutes ago

      I'm in the process of building one myself. Take what I'm saying with a massive grain of salt, but I believe you basically need three things - objective, tube lens and a camera module.

      If I were you, I would probably buy a normal microscope that supports a microscope camera attachment, instead of specifically looking for USB microscope. There is a lot of misleading marketing around USB microscopes, a lot of them are literally just doing digital zooming in (I have a 30€ "1000x" microscope from Amazon which is nice for soldering and such things, but these fake microscopes appear even at higher price ranges). Treat anything >1000x for light-based microscopes as a red flag.

    • staplung an hour ago

      Perhaps better to ask here: https://www.reddit.com/r/microscopy/. They get that question a lot.

    • pppone 22 minutes ago

      Some random ones I've encountered (less for PCB work though):

      - https://openflexure.org/

      - https://www.eurekamicroscope.com/

  • Bayes7 25 minutes ago

    >"The first species of Paulinella was discovered on Dec. 24, 1894, in the sediments of a backwater of the Rhine River by the German biologist Robert Lauterborn. He named the genus after his stepmother, Pauline."

    How can they say this without providing more background?

  • tpict 3 hours ago

    I wonder what the author thinks steampunk means

    • dekhn 3 hours ago

      Right- that's really just a version of a worm pick. I use similar tools (including a mouth pipette... remember kids, in chemistry: don't pipette by mouth, in biology: oops I think I just inhaled something!) working with tardigrade. If it was steampunk there would be some sort of goggles, leather, gears, and a tincture of laudunum.

  • GTP 3 hours ago

    I have an idea on how life could originate in a motel room :D

    • nate 25 minutes ago

      I came here looking for this :) like someone has to be making this joke right. Or another direction of making the connection that there must be some life growing from the filth in a motel room

  • Beijinger 2 hours ago
  • danso 4 hours ago
    • Barbing 2 hours ago

      Thank you! (Also, haven’t seen this kind of gift link that has the little login requirement, suppose they’re looking to strike a better balance.)

    • lokeshramchand 2 hours ago

      Thank you!

  • alpineman 3 hours ago

    All they needed was a blue UV light

  • sva_ an hour ago

    I don't know what I should've expected, but I am a bit disappointed that they in fact did not find these organisms in the motel room.

  • m3kw9 4 hours ago

    I thought they use built up gunk from years in the bathroom to discover new species, so they choose a cheap motel.

  • oofbey 3 hours ago

    Why did they work in a motel room? The article kinda implies it had something to do with Trump’s funding cuts, but unless I missed something the connection wasn’t made explicit.

    • dekhn 3 hours ago

      I think it's mainly to be close to the sample collection area while also having a place to do microscopy in semi-privacy. Looking at their equipment, I think they bought everything out of pocket and pay for the hotel on their own.

    • chrisandchris an hour ago

      > The team — brought together, in part, by disruptions and despair over the Trump administration’s freezes to federal science funding — [...]

      • specproc 30 minutes ago

        I dunno about the states, but in most parts of the UK, it's considerably cheaper than 80 dollars a day to rent a small workspace.

  • sevenart 4 hours ago

    non-paywall (perm): https://archive.ph/QpBF1

  • realo an hour ago

    Quoting the article:

    "The team — brought together, in part, by disruptions and despair over the Trump administration’s freezes to federal science funding — then made an exciting discovery."

    Apparently this is the new way of life for Scientists under the Trump regime.

    Sad.

  • codedokode 2 hours ago

    So $80 is considered a "cheap room"? How is a person supposed to earn $80 a day to pay for it and have something left?

    Also, cells can have scales? Amazing.

    • dpc050505 4 minutes ago

      Per diems in the civil engineering union agreement in my Canadian province are 180$ a day to cover lodging and food when you're working away from home. Most people manage to spend less and save the leftover. That's tax free money unrelated to what you're actually getting paid for the work or transport time.

      80$ might seem like a lot of money if you're making 60k a year as a biologist. If you're in a field where profit is the reason you work 80$ is peanuts.

    • onlyrealcuzzo 2 hours ago

      It takes ~30 minutes to turn around a nightly hotel room, front desk check-in and other labor can easily make that >1h of labor per room per day.

      Even in the budget industry, your nightly utility usage comes close to $10, consumables are $3+.

      Hotel stays are typically taxed higher than typical sales tax.

      Once you add that in, real estate taxes, and any corporate taxes - you're getting close to the $50 price point...

      That's before you factor in the cost of maintaining the building, or the financing to buy the building itself (or any profit).

      Are we supposed to live in a world where everyone's entitled to be able to stay in hotel rooms for 1 hour of minimum wage labor? Because, until we have far more automation, I don't see how that makes any possible sense.

    • 650REDHAIR 2 hours ago

      $80/day is a cheap room in most of the US and Canada.

      My standards for hotel rooms on road trips are quite low and I will call the crappy motels to avoid the bloated .com booking rates and it’s not very often I find even 1 star hotels under $80/day after taxes.

    • mkirsten 2 hours ago

      Have you stayed at hotels? Most people that work don’t stay at hotels and pay the hotel out of pocket.

      • codedokode 2 hours ago

        I am not from US and with that money I could rent a tiny apartment for 2-3 days. However, I prefer cheaper accomodation. $80 is super expensive if you have no other place to live.

        • WalterGR 26 minutes ago

          From my reading of the article, my understanding is that they’re doing science in the hotel room, not living there long-term.

        • yencabulator 23 minutes ago

          In most places, you don't pay the day rate for long stays.

        • thatfrenchguy 22 minutes ago

          Yeah salaries in the US are higher in nominal terms

        • physicalecon 2 hours ago

          Motels are not a habitation of last resort by any means. They’re a convenient place to stay while traveling.

          I expect the vast majority of motel patrons are additionally paying a rent/mortgage for their main habitation.