TSMC revealing details about next gen A14 node

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39 points | by osnium123 2 days ago ago

10 comments

  • JumpCrisscross 14 minutes ago

    TSMC: https://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/log...

    Not sure what this source is, but it looks sketchy.

  • nwah1 2 days ago

    In simpler terms, the SRAM density improved by 2.9% (according to ChatGPT). Which is better than it sounds, because SRAM had reached a wall, in terms of density gains, and, chips can be dominated by SRAM in terms of surface area, so this can mean a lot more room for logic, even though that is also getting considerably denser.

    • anamax 2 days ago

      There's some hope of smaller SRAM in the future - https://raaam-tech.com/technology/ is a three-transistor SRAM.

      • randomblock1 42 minutes ago

        It's not quite SRAM, it needs to be refreshed like DRAM. That's the main downside compared to SRAM but it's still very interesting.

  • aurareturn 2 days ago

    Chip density increase is slowing down. Since N10, density scaling has been 60-80%. N3 to N2 is only 20%. And now N2 to A14 is also only 20%.

    • georgeburdell a day ago

      A lot of that is the lack of SRAM scaling. There’s still quite a bit of improvements in the back end (metal traces). That aside, if foundries adopted say a 1T-1C SRAM we’d see a pretty rapid density doubling

      • smallmancontrov 44 minutes ago

        Is 1T1C SRAM a technological thing or does it mean "persuade designers to use DRAM in the many cases where the retention contract could be timeboxed with a bit of extra thought and cross-team haggling"?

    • osnium123 a day ago

      Is the increase in wafer cost higher than the density increase? If so, that means that the cost per transistor is also going up.

      • aurareturn a day ago

        It's hard to tell because AI has pushed up costs. IE. Chip fab margins are increasing.

        But generally, I think it's even or increasing $/transistor for each node. I'd guess that A14 would have been 20% more expensive than N2 regardless or AI or not.

        It probably is still worth it because you're also getting 20-30% better power efficiency - which is a big deal for data center chips.

  • ginko 43 minutes ago

    Come on we're in the 21st century, UTF-8 is pervasive. Just call it "Å14" node.