The combination of largest, best-financed, most violent, and least well-trained/selected does not bode well for the future of ICE. What do people think is going to happen when attempts are made to reduce their scope or funding?
You think they're just going to give up the money, power, status (within their preferred social circles) and near-immunity? That seems like a highly optimistic assessment of human history.
What's the counterfactual? That they stage an actual coup?
Those are the two options. Either our political system continues, in which case yes, they will de facto give up money, power, status, and legal protection. Or our political system does not continue, in which case all bets are off.
We're in a very precarious position, but the actual ICE goons' own preferences to retain money/power/status will not be a relevant factor at all.
I don't know what history you're referring to, because the most salient comparison set is obviously the last 250 years of American history. Across those 250 years, administrations and policy configurations have changed over just fine dozens of times.
If you're comparing this to some other country's challenges with getting rid of a security force, which other countries had comparable institutions and a comparable balance of weaponry between "the security forces" and the public they are trying to oppress?
Such complacency. I feel sure you would have assured me with equal confidence that something like January 6 2020 couldn't possibly happen before it actually did.
a comparable balance of weaponry between "the security forces" and the public they are trying to oppress?
Which demographic group in US society is more likely to own and be willing to use guns for political ends, liberals/centrists or hard right reactionaries?
> Such complacency. I feel sure you would have assured me with equal confidence that something like January 6 2020 couldn't possibly happen before it actually did.
You would be quite wrong on that front. I was warning people for months leading up to it. But notice how the personal motivations of security forces played literally zero role whatsoever in January 6? It was a political and legal maneuver, which is what we need to be more vigilant of than "oh no what if we fire a bunch of losers from their jobs?"
It's easy: we prosecute the ones who've already committed crimes, we fire the rest, and if they choose to commit crimes after that then we prosecute them too.
> Which demographic group in US society is more likely to own and be willing to use guns for political ends, liberals/centrists or hard right reactionaries?
Oh no, I'm so afraid of the "I'll do everything for my country [ but wearing a mask in a grocery store is LITERALLY a crime against humanity ]". These people are afraid of (they have literal fear responses) to tampons in bathrooms.
Rightoids are fundamentally cowards. That's why they cling so much to tradition to begin with and why the march of liberalism carries on despite their big macho schtick.
Fearful people are more apt to be violent, which is why rightoids are far more likely to commit mass shootings. They're also consistently better at organization and communication.
I'm just not that concerned about them and, even if I were, I don't see what the other option is. People must be held accountable for their crimes and if they're willing to die in an effort to avoid that, then so be it, they can fight and die.
The combination of largest, best-financed, most violent, and least well-trained/selected does not bode well for the future of ICE. What do people think is going to happen when attempts are made to reduce their scope or funding?
They'll go back to being basement-dwelling losers.
But we need to make sure we prosecute and imprison every single one who committed a crime.
You think they're just going to give up the money, power, status (within their preferred social circles) and near-immunity? That seems like a highly optimistic assessment of human history.
What's the counterfactual? That they stage an actual coup?
Those are the two options. Either our political system continues, in which case yes, they will de facto give up money, power, status, and legal protection. Or our political system does not continue, in which case all bets are off.
We're in a very precarious position, but the actual ICE goons' own preferences to retain money/power/status will not be a relevant factor at all.
I don't know what history you're referring to, because the most salient comparison set is obviously the last 250 years of American history. Across those 250 years, administrations and policy configurations have changed over just fine dozens of times.
If you're comparing this to some other country's challenges with getting rid of a security force, which other countries had comparable institutions and a comparable balance of weaponry between "the security forces" and the public they are trying to oppress?
Such complacency. I feel sure you would have assured me with equal confidence that something like January 6 2020 couldn't possibly happen before it actually did.
a comparable balance of weaponry between "the security forces" and the public they are trying to oppress?
Which demographic group in US society is more likely to own and be willing to use guns for political ends, liberals/centrists or hard right reactionaries?
> Such complacency. I feel sure you would have assured me with equal confidence that something like January 6 2020 couldn't possibly happen before it actually did.
You would be quite wrong on that front. I was warning people for months leading up to it. But notice how the personal motivations of security forces played literally zero role whatsoever in January 6? It was a political and legal maneuver, which is what we need to be more vigilant of than "oh no what if we fire a bunch of losers from their jobs?"
It's easy: we prosecute the ones who've already committed crimes, we fire the rest, and if they choose to commit crimes after that then we prosecute them too.
> Which demographic group in US society is more likely to own and be willing to use guns for political ends, liberals/centrists or hard right reactionaries?
Oh no, I'm so afraid of the "I'll do everything for my country [ but wearing a mask in a grocery store is LITERALLY a crime against humanity ]". These people are afraid of (they have literal fear responses) to tampons in bathrooms.
Rightoids are fundamentally cowards. That's why they cling so much to tradition to begin with and why the march of liberalism carries on despite their big macho schtick.
Fearful people are more apt to be violent, which is why rightoids are far more likely to commit mass shootings. They're also consistently better at organization and communication.
I'm just not that concerned about them and, even if I were, I don't see what the other option is. People must be held accountable for their crimes and if they're willing to die in an effort to avoid that, then so be it, they can fight and die.
huh? fascism isn't about predicting what happens when they fascist. It's about being one with the present.
It's like the opposite of taoism, but, the same, except peace = hate.
Those are certainly words
if they could pay extra for a version that bites, they would order them with extra sharp teeth
https://archive.ph/tRI1X
Wait... isn’t that a tiny budget for cyborg police dogs at a US federal scale?
The images of the next - and, there will be a 'next' - ICE abuse, involving these, will be dystopían.-