22 comments

  • Kim_Bruning 11 hours ago

    For HN, does that mean we should no longer be using X links, since most can't view them?

    • moritzwarhier 10 hours ago

      Content from X worth sharing is rare anyway.

      I'm not any authority here, but I'd say, there's no need for a Reddit-moment to ban it entirely.

      Though it wouldn't bother me either.

      Directly linked single text posts are still publicly accessible last I checked, but it's a microblogging platform littered with spam.

      HN submissions are usually long-form content, so it's rare to see X links anyway.

      And comments obey the voting system, so who cares whether people link to X, LinkedIn, Facebook or whatever else.

      Banning X in comments would require to ban the others as well, and I think the mods and users can handle by themselves what is relevant in that case.

      And in case an X submission is genuinely interesting, it won't be hard to access or infer the content from the comments or other sources.

      • angoragoats 7 hours ago

        > HN submissions are usually long-form content, so it's rare to see X links anyway.

        There are, at minimum, tens of Twitter links that I see daily which make it to the first couple of pages of the site. A lot of them are AI-related content, which seems to be popular there.

        > And in case an X submission is genuinely interesting, it won't be hard to access or infer the content from the comments or other sources.

        I don’t want to have to do this. I think we should just disallow Twitter links for posts.

    • dredmorbius 7 hours ago

      Yes, and yes.

    • ElijahLynn 8 hours ago

      Same category and policy as paywalled news sites.

  • dredmorbius 7 hours ago

    I've emailed HN's mods requesting Twitter/X links be site-banned as hard-paywalled, given that Nitter and XCancel had also just received C&Ds (<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49437283>).

    • Cider9986 5 hours ago

      It can still by bypassed with working nitter instances. Nitter doesn't have to be legal. Archive.today certainly isn't.

    • Wowfunhappy 5 hours ago

      I too dislike logging into Twitter/X, but that's not a paywall, the accounts are still free, no?

  • rvz 13 hours ago

    This was obviously going to happen once Nitter got an immediate C&D.

    It just means that it will happen to these alternatives as well and the lawyers have all the money from X Corp to do just that.

    These open source projects circumventing X for free, unfortunately have zero chance in fighting these legal takedowns.

    • flotzam 13 hours ago

      Hoping we'll see more resilient development/hosting emerge

      • toomuchtodo 13 hours ago

        Probably the best use case for onion routing and IPFS. Each X URL gets a content addressable IPFS URL, served via an onion site that should be hard to take down.

        Browser->Tor Onion site->IPFS as storage system pull through cache->X

        • flotzam 13 hours ago

          Or just a .onion for the frontend and code forge + another server at some clearnet domain proxying it (until taken down and replaced with the new one) would probably work fine. The hidden service can even terminate TLS with a valid cert for the clearnet domain.

          • toomuchtodo 12 hours ago

            True, I suggested IPFS as an hidden content addressable, globally distributed caching proxy and persistent object store. Run it from outside the reach of the US legal framework, like private/shadow libraries/archives (as you could consider it an archive of X, with public access when available).

            Another idea I recently had was extending Karakeep (https://github.com/karakeep-app/), which has robust archiving capabilities today, to enable announcing archived URLs via a DHT and serving the archive bundle as a torrent (similar to how the Internet Archive creates a torrent file for each item). With some work, it would be the equivalent of a distributed Wayback Machine, with each instance able to act as both scraper and server. With a browser extension that could query this DHT, you could retrieve an archived version of any URL that has been archived by cherry picking from the swarm (each URL becomes a magnet torrent URL, very similar to IPFS, but with less bootstrapping required imho).

            Distributed web adjacent (https://getdweb.net/).

    • throwaway81523 9 hours ago

      Meanwhlie Grok and other AI bro bots non-consensually scrape everything.

  • ChrisArchitect 13 hours ago

    Related discussion and predictions (2 days ago):

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49449576

    • flotzam 13 hours ago

      Seemed worth a new post, now that they actually killed it today :(

      Is there any frontend still standing?

      • dredmorbius 7 hours ago

        ChrisArchitect is pretty good at distinguishing between when a discussion is a dupe and when it is related.

        Their comment history makes this clear.

      • zImPatrick 12 hours ago

        Nitter itself is still fine, there are like 2 public-ish instances I‘m aware of but I think people should go out and host some in more private communities/run one over Tor or something