16 comments

  • imglorp 2 hours ago

    There's no doubt cumulative exposure is a risk factor as a population.

    https://hms.harvard.edu/news/pilots-flight-attendants-have-g...

    But how can they point to one individual and say it's causal? Maybe they caught some radon. Maybe something else?

    • aeternum 42 minutes ago

      This seems like pretty strong evidence that the Linear No-Threshold Model for radiation exposure is the correct model. Not great for the many companies attempting to revive the nuclear power industry.

    • weinzierl 26 minutes ago

      The radiation exposure caused by the flight is a known. Fraunhofer institute once had the calculator they made for Lufthansa (if I remember correctly) publicly available. You could enter flight numbers and it would aggregate your exposure.

    • Tabular-Iceberg an hour ago

      That seems like it would be the most important part of the whole article, and it was left out.

      It’s possible that the standards of evidence in a civil case is low enough that they don’t have to demonstrate a causal link. Only that there is radiation in the air and that radiation causes cancer.

      • goodcanadian 19 minutes ago

        The article acknowledged that you cannot say for certain what caused her cancer. The court determined, however, that the increased radiation exposure qualified as a workplace hazard that increased her risk of cancer and was therefore a contributing factor. At least, that's the way I understood it.

    • webdoodle an hour ago

      Speculation: Most forms of breast cancer occur because of bad protein production from a specific gene. My guess is this flight attendants breast cancer isn't from any known breast cancer gene.

  • Tade0 3 hours ago

    > Smoking was authorised on Air France flights until 2000.

    I'm sorry, what? The first flight I took which I recall in detail was in 1995 and even back then the "no smoking sign" seemed redundant.

    Guess it wasn't.

    • gwbas1c 2 hours ago

      A couple of things:

      From what I remember as a kid in the 1990s in the US, smoking was allowed on international flights. It was one of those grey areas that happen when traveling between countries with different laws.

      I've also seen a lot of jokes about French culture being waaay more "pro smoking" than US culture.

      Thus smoking beling allowed on Air France until 2000 doesn't surprise me.

      • azepoi 41 minutes ago

        Up until 2004 you had to book a non-smoking rail-car in France. I remember having to book a seat in the smoking section because the non-smoking cars were full. Smoking was only being phased-out in high-school yards (for 15-18 yo highschoolers not only the staff)

    • Pompidou 39 minutes ago

      "loi Évin", from 1991, do not allow people to smoke in transportation. I used to travel air France and air Inter plane from 1990 to 2000. I never see anybody smoking in a plane.

    • infecto 2 hours ago

      Lots of Europe especially France is packed with smokers. One of those things you take for granted living in the US and once you travel abroad you realize how much of the world still burns tobacco and it’s everywhere.

      • kingstnap an hour ago

        Italy too. It's bizarre trying to hop on the trenitalia trains while a bunch of random people are standing on the platform right in front of the doors trying to get a few last drags in before the train leaves.

      • Tade0 2 hours ago

        I'm not American though and while smokers are everywhere here, I don't recall ever being on a flight where smoking was allowed, even though the one mentioned was a connecting flight through Paris.

      • dralley an hour ago

        They've mostly switched to vapes now. It's still annoying, but at least it doesn't leave trash all over the streets.

        Seeing the sidewalks / parks outside of the main train station in Prague covered in cigarette butts as an American tourist in 2019 was certainly something.

        • 1-more 25 minutes ago

          I smoked less in Prague than in the US. I was addicted to nicotine, sure, but I was also addicted to taking a little vacation outside whatever venue, and in Prague (in 2008) you could smoke just about anywhere.

  • ChrisArchitect 2 hours ago

    Related:

    Cancer-related mortality among US pilots and flight attendants

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49389524