Not a natural calamity: it is being done to us knowingly

(theguardian.com)

36 points | by speckx 18 hours ago ago

26 comments

  • spl757 15 hours ago

    People do not understand what the reality of large portions of land that are concentrated on the coasts are going to underwater sooner than anyone probably thinks. Exxon knew in the 70s, they wrote reports about it, that's all known and verifiable.

    It's the lag effect, stupid.

    The last time there was this much Co2 in the atmosphere, because most of the population lives near the coast, the place you are sitting and reading this will be underwater and on a timeline not of centuries, but decades.

    We just have not seen the actual effects of the thresholds we have crossed yet. It's an inevitable runaway train. The surface of Venus, our virual twin, is about 867°F, because of runaway greenhouse heating due to a buildup of Co2. Just in case anyone forgets just how powerful of a greenhouse gas Co2 is.

    • seebeegeebee 15 hours ago

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      • Kim_Bruning 14 hours ago

        You do have to take into account the europeans who all suffered through something like 5 heat waves this season. That's a bit hard to talk around.

        • seebeegeebee 14 hours ago

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          • dfdxdydz 13 hours ago

            I don’t know where you live, but where I live multiple records were broken in multiple dimensions (peak day temperature, peak night temperature, number of consecutive days above X degrees, number of rivers dry etc.).

            These heatwaves were not called summer back in the day because there was no heatwave like that before.

            Where do you live?

            • red-iron-pine 8 hours ago

              seebeegeebee is a 10 hour old account with 1 karma.

              for sure a bot, but it's not clear to me if they're genuine, engagement bait, or a false flag to made climate deniers look dumb

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      • Klapaucius 14 hours ago

        You're not helping.

        • seebeegeebee 14 hours ago

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          • Klapaucius 13 hours ago

            I see. I admire what an independent thinker you are. Oh, so good at being an independent thinker.

  • ZeroGravitas 16 hours ago

    In some ways the destruction of our political, journalistic (as they hint at in this piece) and scientific cultures and institutions is even worse. And again done knowingly, by the same people.

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  • fragmede 15 hours ago

    because human psychology is what it is, 1.5 degrees C is the wrong number to cite. 1.5 degrees C converts to 2 million TWh of energy. 2 million TERA watt hours! 120 million Hiroshima bombs worth of thermal energy. Spread over 100 years, that’s about 3,400 Hiroshima-equivalents per day, continuously. That sounds way scarier than 1.5 degrees C.

    • Xmd5a 13 hours ago

      The earth receives about 2800 Hiroshima-equivalents per second from the sun. Just keep the sun shining one second longer every day for one century is all it takes for the 1.5° delta we're observing today.

      > human psychology is what it is

      indeed

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  • ablation 16 hours ago

    The people and organisations perpetuating these crimes against humanity are not anonymous. They have names, addresses, shareholders, boards, lobbyists. They should be named and shamed. Part of me fears that we will soon be unable to do so openly or effectively, with the rise of censorship and surveillance and looming control of public discourse. It's hard not to fall victim to hopelessness sometimes. I'm trying.

  • camillomiller 16 hours ago

    I wholeheartedly agree, yet I don’t want this type of information delivered this way. It’s just not effective. My mind doesn’t need changing, I am vegetarian, I’m mindful about traveling, I don’t own a car. Yet individual responsibility is useless in the face of such a collective crisis, and now another day is ruined by the acknowledgment that I can do fuck all about this because I have no control over the power structures that perpetuate our predicament.

    • defrost 15 hours ago

      From the same author, being scared is half the fun, deep breath, relax, let the mountain wash over you:

      * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gViRfoNmGOg

    • unfitted2545 11 hours ago

      There's a freedom in admitting it's not gonna get better

      • red-iron-pine 7 hours ago

        "the train is coming and I'm not even gonna try to stop it or get out of the way"

        that's not freedom that's quitting

  • hello_dang_ 11 hours ago

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    • unrented7977 11 hours ago

      Completely unironically: eat the rich. Put heads on pikes. Rebel.

      • OroPla 9 hours ago

        Last time this was done it didn't help at all. Why do you think it would be different this time?

        • red-iron-pine 7 hours ago

          what is this last time you speak of?

          cuz it absolutely threw off the yoke of Kings

          how many guillotine events were you a part of?

          • OroPla 2 hours ago

            Let's go with the French Revolution, since you mentioned guillotines. What improvement was made exactly?

  • ath3nd 18 hours ago

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