I've been building a triage agent for my inbox and whatsapp (it's product shaped), which has ironically left me not building one of these. So even while productizing, I'm getting fomo on the full monty.
I've also been building a harness that maintains my apps which I'm hoping to open source.
Hard agree that these things don't have personal ROI, and are actually quite hard to build reliably.
But it's really fun! And having a bot fix a live error is pretty exciting.
Very cool setup. I went down a similar path and while it is definitely cool to see the extent of how agentic AI can be, I agree the ROI isn't _quite_ there yet.
I don't live in a world where I need to be constantly reading and replying to emails, so 95% of my inbox is just subscription spam. With development I need to be at the helm to design the planning requirements and actively make decisions before the agent goes off and executes the plan. But I don't need a personal agent for that, I work directly out of codex/claude-code.
being able to talk to each of the agents via dm (but also in group chats) sounds interesting
does that mean that you have 1 chat per domain specific agent? can you also start multiple sessions/threads or is that not part of the way you interact with them currently?
it's just like Slack really. I have a DM open for each agent where I can talk direct. But they are also part of individual rooms also where I just need to @ them and they open a thread. They can talk to each other also by @'ing each other (in public rooms or ones they both belong to)
Not pointed at the author, but at the current state of affairs: this is fucking exhausting. We went and made a trillions-dollar market out of the bikeshedding maximization machine.
LLM was invented and its just clear that this is something someone needs to build.
Why?
Because it makes just sense. You don't want an agent running on a laptop you close. You want to keep context small, you want to split up work / parallize it etc.
I'm now waiting for a while until the open source agent platform emerges and im borderline motivated to build something but i'm not doing it. He did, which is not a crime.
I've been building a triage agent for my inbox and whatsapp (it's product shaped), which has ironically left me not building one of these. So even while productizing, I'm getting fomo on the full monty.
I've also been building a harness that maintains my apps which I'm hoping to open source.
Hard agree that these things don't have personal ROI, and are actually quite hard to build reliably.
But it's really fun! And having a bot fix a live error is pretty exciting.
I am now on the MCP route, where I have lots of personally hosted MCPs. Including managing calender/e-mail.
It does not cost too much effort to maintain MCP servers. No port forwarding or VPNs required thanks to OpenAI tunnels.
And security wise its quite nice, since you have to activate MCP or give permission sometimes. So each chat is kind of isolated from each-other.
interesting.. does that bloat the context window? I imagine Hermes already struggles with context window size.. been meaning to look into that.
I don't have problems on ChatGPT with the amount of MCPs (five) I have. But each MCP can do quite a lot.
Very cool setup. I went down a similar path and while it is definitely cool to see the extent of how agentic AI can be, I agree the ROI isn't _quite_ there yet.
I don't live in a world where I need to be constantly reading and replying to emails, so 95% of my inbox is just subscription spam. With development I need to be at the helm to design the planning requirements and actively make decisions before the agent goes off and executes the plan. But I don't need a personal agent for that, I work directly out of codex/claude-code.
same. I'd like to get to a place where I can have long-running tasks and goals for more over-night working, but it's not there yet.
ty for the writeup!
being able to talk to each of the agents via dm (but also in group chats) sounds interesting
does that mean that you have 1 chat per domain specific agent? can you also start multiple sessions/threads or is that not part of the way you interact with them currently?
it's just like Slack really. I have a DM open for each agent where I can talk direct. But they are also part of individual rooms also where I just need to @ them and they open a thread. They can talk to each other also by @'ing each other (in public rooms or ones they both belong to)
It's literally just like humans.. except. not.
makes sense, ty
Appreciate the honesty and lack of hype.
Not pointed at the author, but at the current state of affairs: this is fucking exhausting. We went and made a trillions-dollar market out of the bikeshedding maximization machine.
No we did not.
LLM was invented and its just clear that this is something someone needs to build.
Why?
Because it makes just sense. You don't want an agent running on a laptop you close. You want to keep context small, you want to split up work / parallize it etc.
I'm now waiting for a while until the open source agent platform emerges and im borderline motivated to build something but i'm not doing it. He did, which is not a crime.
this author agrees. hence my attempt at steering part of that trillion dollars for my non-profit which maybe someday might do some good.
It's always fun seeing how other people are using these tools.
> Has it been worth it? For the journey, yes, for the ROI, nope.
It's also nice seeing someone experiment without succumbing to AI psychosis.
i'd like to go into the psychosis but i'm not there yet.