13 comments

  • kev009 31 minutes ago

    One interesting thing with wider addresses isn't necessarily increasing itself, but features built upon the expansion. CHERI is one example of that.

    • justincormack 15 minutes ago

      Yeah, or cryptographically secure non guessable addresses.

  • A1kmm 6 hours ago

    So reflecting on that, I think the core assumption that didn't pan out is that the memory / CPU ratio will grow because we'll need more memory, hence requiring CPUs to address more than 16 EiB of data (16 EiB = 16384 PiB = 16777216 TiB of data, what 64 bits can address).

    But in practice, we've produced a lot more compute. The memory / CPU ratio has increased, but most growth has been from more CPUs (and generally not shared-memory ones, but ones with their own completely separate memory space).

    IPv6 is 128 bit, so we do have 128 bit ways of addressing computers, but I'd say we're still a long way from a CPU needing to address that much memory as a common case. The speed of light limits how far away memory can be from the CPU for good performance, so short of some drastically new memory technology, it seems unlikely we'll need it soon for any ordinary type of computing device.

    • dist-epoch 2 hours ago

      Because of LLMs we are back to memory being king (KV cache).

      But there was another thing - clusters of thousands/millions of machine instead of one big iron with all the memory.

    • jsLavaGoat 6 hours ago

      the cases where its useful, it's in vectorized instruction sets, etc.

      • kelnos 4 hours ago

        You're conflating 128-bit registers with 128-bit memory addressing. This article is about the latter.

        • flohofwoe an hour ago

          Also arguably we already have 256 or 512 bit CPUs, what matters most for memory throughput is not the register width but essentialy the L1 cache line width (eg what in old CPUs was the databus width).

          As for address width, we're not even close to get full 64 bit pointers from CPUs anyway, more like 48 or 52 bits.

          Wide pointers (eg 128 bit general registers) would make sense for carrying capabilities for memory safety though I guess.

  • Aardwolf an hour ago

    Personally I'm disappointed 128-bit floating point (quadruple precision) never properly made it into CPU's (sure it appeared in some niche ones here and there, but not in what we actually use today). After all, in the 1980's they had 80-bit ones, it's not even that far off, and they had millions times less transistors then.

    While probably niche and applications that need higher precision using their own custom types anyway, they'd allow cool stuff like easy to program fractals with much higher detail than now. But also, less precision loss in many applications.

    • glimshe a minute ago

      In most cases where I needed higher precision, I just went to fixed point... There are also free libraries with arbitrary precision (although at a significant performance hit).

    • flohofwoe an hour ago

      That's the thing, bigger datatypes means less effective memory throughput. From that perspective 16-bit or even 8-bit floats are often more useful than 80 or 128 bit floats. Same problem with 64 bit pointers and why it's often better to store narrower indices instead of full pointers, data can be packed more tightly and accessed more efficiently.

      • TheOtherHobbes an hour ago

        The point about large word lengths is you get higher data throughput, and faster processing, because everything is going through fat pipes into a big parallel machine with multiple levels of cache and vectorisation.

        The issue is the utility of floats at different precisions. 128-bit floats have some benefits for high-end scientific applications, but the extra cost and complexity over 64-bit hardware would only make sense for specialised scientific supercomputing. So far it just hasn't been worth it.

    • anttihaapala 23 minutes ago

      The problem is for most practical uses where you need fast calculations the 64 bit precision is enough. For example there is hardly any physical calculation that would need more precision. 64 bit float can be used to measure the Earth-Sun distance to 30 micrometre precision. 128 bits does not just add anything generally useful. For monetary calculations you should be using decimals instead of binary anyway.

    • silvestrov 25 minutes ago

      precision loss in floating point is often exponential.

      If 64 bit isn't enough, then very quickly 128 is also not enough.

      If precision is important then you will very often want systems that represent every number as an interval [a, b] meaning that the true value is between those 2 numbers. This makes you able to detect loss of precision due to e.g. d = a / (b - c) where b-c can result in a number close to zero which makes uncertainty grow. If you use this formula iteratively then precision is lost completely no matter how many bits there are in your floating point variables.