Interview with Boris Cherny [video]

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28 points | by knighthacker a day ago ago

18 comments

  • iooi 2 hours ago

    I don't get why Anthropic keeps saying how cool it is that they were able to rewrite bun in rust, I feel like if the model is really that good you wouldn't need a rewrite, you'd be able to create the runtime from scratch.

    • chromakode an hour ago

      Code is a fantastic way to capture requirements, particularly iterative product discoveries over time. It's much easier to start with a manifestation of the requirements (and tests of invariants) than starting from base principles.

    • __alexs an hour ago

      Productivity theatre is when activity becomes celebrated over outcomes. It's absolutely everywhere in US tech culture.

    • jdross an hour ago

      I like this, it will be a really exciting benchmark to refer back to in a few years

  • firasd an hour ago

    I feel like the Big Insight with Claude Code was 'give the AI access to tools, in fact to your actual laptop'. And of course 1.5 years later 'a harness to enable an agent to use my computer' has turned into the flagship product we expect from frontier labs

    However. I don't think all the other 'Ideas' these harness-building guys have are all that universally applicable. Heck they are naysaying their own gearhead stack of skills.md and claude.md lately including in this video. But also I'm suspicious of this whole thing of spawning agents. For example "find every function in this codebase" is probably better done deterministically using a script that extracts function names rather than by spawning 20 agents to 'read' chunks of the code in token space. But it certainly racks up the token usage which is good for the person selling you inference...

    And there is a lot missing in the actual harnesses frankly that isn't about more parallel agent ninjutsu. Like why isn't there a 'move this function from this file to this file' tool (copy/paste char range) and we have to see Claude/Codex/etc flail around rewriting huge chunks of code in token space

    • rescripting 21 minutes ago

      > Like why isn't there a 'move this function from this file to this file' tool (copy/paste char range)

      There is, you can install LSPs for a given language which act as just another tool the model can use to more efficiently manipulate code.

      • firasd 18 minutes ago

        LSPs don't really do this. They're like a better way to grep for something (so they do address the previous thing I said about listing all function names etc.) But they often don't say (depending on the particular LSP setup etc) this function ends at this char and they definitely don't then provide the text editing tool

  • mfallon an hour ago

    I've spent the last year building an app with Claude Code without knowing how to code. I'm still surprised at how much it gets wrong, even on the newest models. What makes it work for me is describing exactly what I want and then actually checking everything it gives back.

    • EagleEdge 4 minutes ago

      For me, I just don't trust Claude Code to write first-class professional code. I have used all frontier claude models and it always does sloppy job that needs to be fixed by codex. I have claude/codex setup and any execution must go to codex and all reviews as well.

  • ventana a day ago

    The TL;DR of the fragment at around 6:57 in the video, for those who don't want to watch, is that Boris recommends to delete all the customizations, CLAUDE.md, skills, and other stuff you had for older models, and try using the new models without all that, because the new models can surprise you.

    • m_ke an hour ago

      All of these harnesses should support pinning config files and tools to specific models or families of models.

      It's really tiring to have to tweak everything with each model release and then watch those changes mess up cheaper models in the process.

    • troupo an hour ago

      > because the new models can surprise you.

      Yes, they keep surprising me that they still keep doing all of this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48962703 with no improvement despite all the marketing assurances that "hey you don't need to read code anymore"

      • slopinthebag 22 minutes ago

        Yeah, I'm going over a bunch of components a frontier model generated and while they "work" the code is quite shocking and will create significant maintenance burden. Not to mention they don't use any of our shared utilities and duplicate so much code.

    • georgemcbay 2 hours ago

      Even for older models I was (and am) of the opinion that a lot of the context-overstuffing cruft people have been wrapping around their LLM usage is more of an RNG-impacting (but not always for the better) lucky charm rather than it being universally helpful.

      And a lot of people latched on to it as a form of self-soothing.

      "I may not write much code anymore, but I can still be an expert prompt engineer!"

      • troupo an hour ago

        > is more of an RNG-impacting (but not always for the better) lucky charm rather than it being universally helpful.

        I wrote this last year, it's still true:

        --- start quote ---

        https://dmitriid.com/prompting-llms-is-not-engineering

        In reality these are just shamanic rituals with outcomes based on faith, fear, or excitement. Engineering it is not.

        --- end quote ---

        There are some prompts useful for the user like brainstorming [1] but on the whole it's nothing but lucky charms

        [1] brainstorming from superpowers: https://github.com/obra/superpowers

    • ares623 2 hours ago

      CHANGELOG: surprise me

    • rvz an hour ago

      Salesman "recommends" you to continue wasting more tokens and on top of that, he "recommends" you to use only recursive loops with the latest and greatest models.

      Finally he also "recommends" that you do not look at the code, or even understand it.

      His "recommendations" are designed to get you to spend even more tokens and get you hooked on the Opus / Fable slot machine in order to extract as much money as possible from your wallets.

      News at 10.

  • lostmsu a day ago

    Never create it in the first place