League of Legends designer shares game design field manual

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43 points | by jmanjmanjman 3 hours ago ago

37 comments

  • adamtaylor_13 an hour ago

    > shares game design field manual written entirely by AI

    I fixed the title for you.

    • Thanemate an hour ago

      AI is here to stay. Embrace the future of to-be-summarized-by-another-LLM content.

      • adamtaylor_13 43 minutes ago

        I love AI. I'm just as AI-pilled as the next guy.

        But, somewhat ironically, LLMs are unbelievably bad at writing.

        I can read thousands of words from my favorite authors without getting annoyed by their tics and their grammar. People like Nikhil Suresh literally make me laugh out loud when I read their writing. But something about AI-slop-prose is just obvious and gross and annoying to read.

        • timacles 25 minutes ago

          It’s just optimized for generating text and evoking emotional responses rather than getting a point across.

          A good writer says what needs to be said and no more, AI is on the other side of the spectrum, it just needs to say things just to say things

        • Ampersander 23 minutes ago

          You are going to get left behind and so is Nikhil Suresh.

  • TheAceOfHearts 38 minutes ago

    This manual has too many AI-isms so I couldn't force myself to read through it. I wish they had just published the text in whatever way they wrote it. Nobody is impressed by walls of text anymore, it's not a sign of quality or effort.

    But since we're on the topic: Riot has a lot of incredibly knowledgeable game designers who have spent years sharing much of the reasoning behind various design decisions. The two main ones that stand out to me are Riot August (creator of Jinx and Jhin) and Riot Phreak (previous head of the balance team).

    Phreak in particular has been publishing videos on YouTube for years explaining their reasoning for the balance changes in each new patch. I don't even play and I still check out the videos sometimes.

    The other one is Riot August. I've occasionally opened up his livestreams where he's answering questions and yapping, but the highlights are usually posted on social media platforms as clips.

    There's a lot for which you can criticize Riot, but they're actually pretty transparent about communicating the decision making behind balance changes and listening to the community. Most games updates come in the form of receiving a set of patch notes, where if you're really lucky they might include some explanations for why those changes were made. Don't take community communication for granted.

    As for balance, I think they've actually done a pretty great job. League of Legends has 171 champions and in MSI 2026, their latest international esports event, 104 were played. For comparison, DotA2 has 126 heroes and in The International 2025, 107 heroes were played.

  • maxloh an hour ago

    If you actually played this game and read the patch notes, you'd have a different perspective on this.

    There's a lot of weird code and technical debt in the game client. For example, a map-wide filter (Nocturne's ult) is actually a giant minion covering the whole map.

    • Waterluvian an hour ago

      Reminds me of how Fallout 3’s subway car is actually a hat.

      If it works it works. The code isn’t the product.

    • mohamedkoubaa an hour ago

      Implementation details != Technical debt

      • ModernMech 6 minutes ago

        Whatever the reason is that off-label minion usage was considered more convenient than an actual global spell effect implementation is the technical debt.

    • literallyroy an hour ago

      Minions all the way down

    • huflungdung an hour ago

      [dead]

  • throw10920 an hour ago

    AI-generated, and also highly untrustworthy given its source - Riot Games is an extraordinarily player-, community-, and pro-player-hostile company. On top of all of the new and exciting ways that they manage to not only screw up software engineering but also screw over their users, their business model is selling skins at the expense of their games (in the sames sense that Google's business model is selling ads at the expense of search quality).

    It would only be a slight exaggeration to say that Riot is the Monsanto of game developers - because EA/Activision/Blizzard/Epic all contend for that spot too.

    • AstralSerenity 39 minutes ago

      Honestly, I strongly disagree. I've played a wide breadth of games, and I can't think of a game studio the size of Riot that is as community-engaged and pro-consumer.

      Examples range from the quality of their patch notes, dev articles and videos, to their constant presence on reddit, and willingness to walk back decisions based on public outcry (Hextech Chests, League Classic monetization, etc).

      Heck, after Riot gave up on Hytale, they were willing to sell the IP and assets back to the original creator while providing extremely generous severance packages for the entire team. I genuinely don't think any of the other companies you listed would have done the same.

    • Thanemate an hour ago

      [dead]

  • r3trohack3r an hour ago

    I'm only to preface 3 but this is the densest download of knowledge I've come across in a long time

    • everyone an hour ago

      Thats a joke right? It did literally make me laugh. AI-slop from a predatory scam-game maker.

  • brador 30 minutes ago

    This reads like AI. Hard to read once you feel it.

    Like if I wanted this information I could just prompt it myself. But if a human wrote it it would somehow feel worthwhile to read.

  • lofaszvanitt 34 minutes ago

    zzzzz usual blabla about nothing

  • iFire 2 hours ago

    > The "It's not X -- it's Y" pattern, often with an em dash. The single most commonly identified AI writing tell. Man I f*cking hate it. AI uses this to create false profundity by framing everything as a surprising reframe. One in a piece can be effective; ten in a blog post is a genuine insult to the reader. Before LLMs, people simply did not write like this at scale. Includes the causal variant "not because X, but because Y" where every explanation is framed as a surprise reveal, the em-dash dismissal "X -- not Y", and the cross-sentence reframe where the same noun is negated then repositioned: "The question isn't X. The question is Y."

    The information is hard to read because I had to run an https://tropes.fyi/ filter over the essay to make it readable.

    • roenxi an hour ago

      I don't mind the AI tropes that much, the issue is more that the amount of information is exactly what was in the prompt but the AI manages to add many words saying nothing.

      > The screen we shipped in January 2016 made two statements at once: pick intent said your plan matters, while the queue attached to it said what a ladder measures is negotiable. Players parsed the two separately, with total precision. They kept the first and burned the second down.

      This is a classic AI construction to me that reeks of Markov chain thinking. The first half is probably the prompt to some extent. The second half ... doesn't actually say anything if you read it closely. Humans can write this sort of content-free fluff but usually they do it for a strategic reasons and not when they're trying to explain something. "Players parsed the two separately, with total precision" resolves a question of clarity that was never raised and for which there is no evidence of problem or solution (it is probably trying to say they understood and disregarded ... something that was basically elided). Then we have a tortured metaphor that doesn't tell us anything about what the players did.

      It is quite tiring to read because you have to re-read things a few times to confirm that it didn't say anything and it isn't pretty wordwork worth reading on its own. Reading this is an exercise in trying to reverse-engineer the prompt.

    • tom_ an hour ago

      I found it quite tiring to read as well.

    • yard2010 35 minutes ago

      Let me stop you right here and give you the honest take — you're absolutely right.

      This lingo infuriates me

  • lostmsu 2 hours ago

    If only the popularity of the game wasn't 100% derived from original DoTA map by IceFrog, which this guy had nothing to do with.

    • stephbook 2 minutes ago

      If you want to criticize LoL design, simply mention that Pendragon stole all the community hero designs from dota-allstars.com

    • elabajaba 2 hours ago

      IceFrog didn't create Dota, he took over maintenance of it from a long line of other people at the time, including Guinsoo (who added Roshan and the recipe system) who worked at Riot (though Icefrog was definitely the best maintainer, Dota was already hugely popular before Icefrog had anything to do with it).

      Dota itself wasn't even original, it was based on a StarCraft 1 custom map.

      • CrimsonRain an hour ago

        Dota was popular in its own niche and game was hugely imbalanced. IceFrog took it to somewhere so high above, saying "next level" is understating it.

      • weberer an hour ago

        The Starcraft map was called Aeon of Strife.

      • lostmsu 27 minutes ago

        That wasn't the point anyway.

        There's nothing of significance in LoL vs the original DotA.

        Same applies to DotA 2 btw. Valve is making changes for the sake of changes. Now every hero has a talent tree for example. Has the game become better because of that? I don't think so.

        I bet if they did A/B when they rolled that update out, not a lot of people would have stayed on the new version.

        • ModernMech 14 minutes ago

          As someone who has continuously played DOTA for the last 20+ years, I appreciate Valve keeping the game fresh. Sometimes they make changes that aren't so great, but the game is always evolving so it's fine. Despite that, even after all this time they've still managed to keep the spirit of the original WC3 mod.

    • chongli 2 hours ago

      Would you say the same about a basketball video game?

    • icantevenhold 2 hours ago

      Sure the genre and many of its archetypes were invented in the WC3 fun/custom map scene but LoL is more than a Dota clone. I haven’t really played it (my moba time ended with HoN) but it’s obviously very well made

      • tw04 2 hours ago

        It has matured over time but it was absolutely a hosted dota ripoff initially, including the playable characters. The fact there are also other spinoffs isn’t really relevant to its origins and lack of recognition or even an attempt at monetary compensation.

        • Scroll_Swe an hour ago

          >or even an attempt at monetary compensation.

          Who should pay who do you think in this?

          Would love to hear.

          Or is this the same as "reparations"? Poeple just dont want others to succeed.

      • smolder an hour ago

        What makes it obvious to you, that LoL is well made? Userbase? Is candy crush obviously well made? Perhaps it is well marketed, more than well made?

        • simonw an hour ago

          Candy Crush is obviously well made. It's a scourge, but it's a well made scourge.

          That's what I find so frustrating about games these days. The most effective business models (by a long way) are the ones that lean into all of the dark patterns.

          They can attract great talent to work on them, and afford the time to build them well, because there's so much money sloshing around.

          • smolder 28 minutes ago

            I understand what you're saying. I hold a different view of what is well made or not. Commercial success isn't the only measure. I believe dark patterns detract from the cultural value of a thing, which is how they came to be called that. Meta is a valuable company, but they could have made less money and provided much more value to society with different practices. There's a "rising tide lifts all boats" approach to commerce, and then there's the candy crush, perpetual enshittification, monetary maximalist approach, usually with negative side effects.

            But that's beside the point. I don't think League of Legends is especially predatory, I just think it's a mediocre game that was well marketed at the right time to go "viral".