16 comments

  • regecks an hour ago

    Damn. The "iPhone last setup or erased on ..." is really nasty. What can a user really do about that? I feel like this should be fudged somehow by the OS.

    • matthewfcarlson 43 minutes ago

      Is the threat model tracking across multiple apps to correlate what you're doing? In that case, a single app wouldn't show you the fudging.

      • ramses0 17 minutes ago

        ```Based on a binomial/Poisson distribution and a baseline of 21 million U.S. device sales per release, a fingerprint relying on "seconds since setup" fails to uniquely identify individuals. In the high-density Early Adopter phase, you will share your exact setup second with an average of 1.01 other people (a total matching pool of ~2 people). Six months into the cycle, you will still share that second with an average of 0.68 other people.```

        In the U.S., device setup time (to the second) very conservatively gets you clubbed into a single group of 100 individuals as an "advanced persistent threat" tracker. Even compressing activations to "80/20 during business hours" the math kindof maxes out at a pool of ~5 people, and assuming worst case "20x" of that still means you're still pretty darned identifiable.

        If you get ~6-8 more bits of entropy (eg: Device Type + Capacity is easily 2-3 bits, and Time Zone is probably another 2-3 bits) you're cooked!

  • ChrisMarshallNY an hour ago

    It's likely to be trolled by the WPA folks, who will insist that WPAs are just as insecure as native apps, so there's no difference ...

    But very cool.

    • njsubedi 23 minutes ago

      You mean PWA?

      • ChrisMarshallNY 22 minutes ago

        Yes. Got my ps and ws mixed up. I was just reading about the Mt. Rushmore project (I was curious whether or not it was a WPA project -it wasn’t, officially).

  • paulirish 2 hours ago

    Would love this for MacOS as well.

    • weikju 2 hours ago

      Fortunately, if you read the README (and decide to go past the “this was mostly built by AI” part,

      > Loupe also builds for macOS. The Mac version is mostly complete, but a few things still need work before it's polished.

      • heavensteeth 25 minutes ago

        > and decide to go past the “this was mostly built by AI” part

        I got that feeling just seeing the title use "native" as a synonym of "not a website".

    • bethekidyouwant 2 hours ago

      What “apps” do you use on a mac?

      • VertanaNinjai 2 hours ago

        Probably a ton since macOS apps are literally distributed as .app bundles.

        • winstonwinston an hour ago

          Though there is a difference what store apps and non-store apps can do. I think is about store apps which are “sandboxed” and have to use public api to request then access information which non-store apps can access without.

      • internet2000 an hour ago

        Google Chrome, VS Code, among others

        • bethekidyouwant 40 minutes ago

          Well “they” can technically “read” anything your user can.

          • iancarroll 23 minutes ago

            Apps installed via the MAS have sandboxing applied to them, so this isn't really true.

            • winstonwinston 11 minutes ago

              Yes but chrome is not from MAS. I have none MAS apps installed because they are simply not available via MAS.