Always thought a 'foreign legion' type setup would benefit here. If people are passionate about certain regions of the world, or courses, they should be able to opt into it. Would create competition across national armed forces, too.
Would be interesting to see which theatres would be most attractive to recruits, and which military operations would be off the table through nobody believing in them. Could potentially mitigate the idea of 'signing up to die for corporate interests' if you had agency in what you're potentially fighting for.
If you look around at the country, you will see that the top echelons of wealth and power are held by a mix of christians and jews, if we divide it by religion. Further, the israel lobby does not equal jews, it equals the israel lobby. Currently christians dominate all branches of government. It would take a biased, dishonest analysis to conclude that jews as a group are in control.
i am confident that all the other “how many” stereotypes you have in mind are bullshit too, and have other cultural, historical, contextual explanations, just like every stereotype of every group.
You're right, the Israeli lobby does not equal Jews, but support for Israel is almost universal amongst Jews. It doesn't equal but it's strongly connected.
okay but your comment about antisemitic stereotypes having a grain of truth is a nonsequitur. the stereotypes dont exist because of truth, they exist because of bigotry. whether or not they overlap with current circumstances is irrelevant. if you look at the reality of who holds power in society you will not find that its exclusively - or even mainly - jews unless you set out to selectively ignore all of the numerous christian leaders and power centers
> there are more self-professed Christian zionists living in America than Jewish zionists
this is a very important point I will remember as well. there are 10x as many evangelical christians as jews in the US, and they are often zionists. zionism is emphatically not just a jewish movement
> Pretty sure there are more self-professed Christian zionists living in America than Jewish zionists too.
All you're saying is that there are more Christians than Jews.
In the context of "you're conflating Jews with Israel" what actually matters if you want to compare with Christians is P(support Israel|Jew) Vs P(support Israel|Christian). Stop being disengenuous.
Your original statement was “there is a grain of truth that jews control the media/country because of the influence of the israel lobby.” (actually, your statement was even worse than that - that you believe that “many” stereotypes about jews in particular are true, unlike other groups).
The response is “the israel lobby is supported by christian evangelicals, a more numerous group than jews.” This is a clear refutation.
Im not sure what point youre trying to make other than that. Seems like you really want to blame the jews
Like what? The stereotype that black people are more criminal has a grain of truth? I wouldn't say that at all. Can you give us an example?
I have never until now wondered that a negative stereotype of people has a grain of truth. If you believe that's commonplace, maybe you're the racist and are projecting?
If you know anything about the $group lobby in the USA, and you think that the stereotype that "they $stereotype" doesn't have a grain of truth, I'd like to hear why.
"antisemitism" is such a weird buzzword. Is it being against speakers of the Semitic lanuage group? Against being against the "Semitic race"?
Every quantifiable definition I've managed to find seems to effectively be a synonym for 'Middle Eastern', which is a little ironic.
Also interesting reading that 'Semite' apparently stems from a biblical classification of race. Are people really getting worked up against sons of mythical beings?
Trying to claim that "anti-Semitism" is a "weird buzzword" with no quantifiable definition is peak sophistry. The fact that Semite has a broader definition than the way it's used when we say "anti-Semite" is irrelevant; we all know – I know, you know, the dictionary knows – what is meant when someone says "anti-Semitism." Don't waste your time or mine by being a pedantic fuck trying to argue the etymology and applications of the word, this isn't high school debate class.
> Don't waste your time or mine by being a pedantic fuck trying to argue the etymology and applications of the word, this isn't high school debate class.
This is HN retard. It’s basically a high school debate class but with 40-50 year old Adderall addicts.
No they shouldn't, because American Koreans are for the most part very anti-DPRK and American Chinese are very anti-CPP.
American Jews are very pro-Israel and donate heavily to politicians promoted by the Israeli lobby so it's less of a stretch to suggest that they might be aligned.
There are tons of Jewish people are against Bibi's government for a long time.
These kind of generalizations for average citizens are so dangerous. Today you are racists again Jewish group, tomorrow someone will do the same to other races.
This will only further the endanger traveling anywhere in the world on a US passport where Muslim citizens reside, it only takes a tiny percentage to turn terrorist against those who are aligned with genocidals.
Trump thinks American Jews will, or at least can, keep him in power, and that this kind of thing, along with his endless, uncomprehending repetition of a few talking points about Iran, will persuade them to do it. He is probably wrong, but in this timeline, anything could happen.
Always thought a 'foreign legion' type setup would benefit here. If people are passionate about certain regions of the world, or courses, they should be able to opt into it. Would create competition across national armed forces, too.
Would be interesting to see which theatres would be most attractive to recruits, and which military operations would be off the table through nobody believing in them. Could potentially mitigate the idea of 'signing up to die for corporate interests' if you had agency in what you're potentially fighting for.
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If you look around at the country, you will see that the top echelons of wealth and power are held by a mix of christians and jews, if we divide it by religion. Further, the israel lobby does not equal jews, it equals the israel lobby. Currently christians dominate all branches of government. It would take a biased, dishonest analysis to conclude that jews as a group are in control.
i am confident that all the other “how many” stereotypes you have in mind are bullshit too, and have other cultural, historical, contextual explanations, just like every stereotype of every group.
You're right, the Israeli lobby does not equal Jews, but support for Israel is almost universal amongst Jews. It doesn't equal but it's strongly connected.
okay but your comment about antisemitic stereotypes having a grain of truth is a nonsequitur. the stereotypes dont exist because of truth, they exist because of bigotry. whether or not they overlap with current circumstances is irrelevant. if you look at the reality of who holds power in society you will not find that its exclusively - or even mainly - jews unless you set out to selectively ignore all of the numerous christian leaders and power centers
The staunchest antizionists tend to be Jews. Pretty sure there are more self-professed Christian zionists living in America than Jewish zionists too.
It behooves everyone to stop equating antizionism with antisemitism, because doing that actually breeds the latter.
> there are more self-professed Christian zionists living in America than Jewish zionists
this is a very important point I will remember as well. there are 10x as many evangelical christians as jews in the US, and they are often zionists. zionism is emphatically not just a jewish movement
> Pretty sure there are more self-professed Christian zionists living in America than Jewish zionists too.
All you're saying is that there are more Christians than Jews.
In the context of "you're conflating Jews with Israel" what actually matters if you want to compare with Christians is P(support Israel|Jew) Vs P(support Israel|Christian). Stop being disengenuous.
Your original statement was “there is a grain of truth that jews control the media/country because of the influence of the israel lobby.” (actually, your statement was even worse than that - that you believe that “many” stereotypes about jews in particular are true, unlike other groups).
The response is “the israel lobby is supported by christian evangelicals, a more numerous group than jews.” This is a clear refutation.
Im not sure what point youre trying to make other than that. Seems like you really want to blame the jews
You can say that about every stereotype on every group of people.
Congratulations: you have (re)discovered racism.
Like what? The stereotype that black people are more criminal has a grain of truth? I wouldn't say that at all. Can you give us an example?
I have never until now wondered that a negative stereotype of people has a grain of truth. If you believe that's commonplace, maybe you're the racist and are projecting?
If you know anything about the $group lobby in the USA, and you think that the stereotype that "they $stereotype" doesn't have a grain of truth, I'd like to hear why.
> Does anybody else think it's interesting how many of Jewish stereotypes have a grain of truth?
No, but I'm not an anti-Semite (sorry, "anti-Zionist" is the new term, right?) who gives any kind of a shit about this kind of thing
"antisemitism" is such a weird buzzword. Is it being against speakers of the Semitic lanuage group? Against being against the "Semitic race"?
Every quantifiable definition I've managed to find seems to effectively be a synonym for 'Middle Eastern', which is a little ironic.
Also interesting reading that 'Semite' apparently stems from a biblical classification of race. Are people really getting worked up against sons of mythical beings?
Trying to claim that "anti-Semitism" is a "weird buzzword" with no quantifiable definition is peak sophistry. The fact that Semite has a broader definition than the way it's used when we say "anti-Semite" is irrelevant; we all know – I know, you know, the dictionary knows – what is meant when someone says "anti-Semitism." Don't waste your time or mine by being a pedantic fuck trying to argue the etymology and applications of the word, this isn't high school debate class.
> Don't waste your time or mine by being a pedantic fuck trying to argue the etymology and applications of the word, this isn't high school debate class.
This is HN retard. It’s basically a high school debate class but with 40-50 year old Adderall addicts.
This kind statements are so ridiculous. Should American Koreans be lumped together with DPRK? Should American Chinese be grouped with CCP?
The foreign government is not related to your average citizens regardless of the race in principle.
No they shouldn't, because American Koreans are for the most part very anti-DPRK and American Chinese are very anti-CPP.
American Jews are very pro-Israel and donate heavily to politicians promoted by the Israeli lobby so it's less of a stretch to suggest that they might be aligned.
American evangelical christians are just as pro Israel if not moreso as a group. But somehow you don’t blame them
There are tons of Jewish people are against Bibi's government for a long time.
These kind of generalizations for average citizens are so dangerous. Today you are racists again Jewish group, tomorrow someone will do the same to other races.
My original point was about whether tne Israeli lobby has an undue influence in the media. I didn't say anything about the Israeli gov.
This will only further the endanger traveling anywhere in the world on a US passport where Muslim citizens reside, it only takes a tiny percentage to turn terrorist against those who are aligned with genocidals.
A tiny percentage of what?
Trump thinks American Jews will, or at least can, keep him in power, and that this kind of thing, along with his endless, uncomprehending repetition of a few talking points about Iran, will persuade them to do it. He is probably wrong, but in this timeline, anything could happen.
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