Cooling copper plates could slash data center energy use by 90%

(newatlas.com)

18 points | by geox 5 hours ago ago

13 comments

  • purkka 4 hours ago

    90% of 30% of total energy use. So, actually 27%. What a title.

  • ortusdux 5 hours ago
  • gblargg 4 hours ago

    > Due to a phenomenon known as Joule heating – an unavoidable consequence of how they operate at a fundamental level – chips dissipate almost exactly the amount of power they consume as heat.

    I don't think you'll ever make a chip not dissipate as heat the energy you feed into it for operation. Where else would it go?

    • kilobaud 4 hours ago

      I think the main idea is that MOSFET chips don’t sink or source much current on their own (“fundamental” seeming to mean the way that current does not propagate into the gates, and most designs only really draw current during transitions)

      OTOH some chips (amplifiers for example) may indeed have current flowing through them and therefore the power consumption of the “chip” would equal the sum of heat loss and output power. At least that’s my interpretation of the framing “how they operate at a fundamental level”. I could be wrong too, I’m not a working EE

    • oakwhiz 4 hours ago

      It could go into the information directly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landauer%27s_principle

    • addaon 2 hours ago

      LEDs are chips; some of the energy goes to light (which will be heat eventually, but not necessarily locally). Some chips also have measurable piezo effects, turning some energy into sound. And of course various data storage technologies (eg floating gate flash) have higher potential energy in one state than the other, so write operations may take more energy than is converted to heat.

  • functionmouse 4 hours ago

    We should block all stories with "could" in the headline; "could" implies conjecture - not news.

  • jnellis 4 hours ago

    I heard copper is better an transferring heat but aluminum is better at RELEASING heat via airflow. Hence you see copper tubes on cpu coolers that terminate in aluminum fins.

    • vitally3643 36 minutes ago

      The capacity of an object to radiate heat has essentially nothing to do with material properties. The equation is entirely dominated by surface area and nothing else. It is purely a matter of geometry. Which is why we use aluminum: it's cheaper and its lower thermal conductivity is pretty much irrelevant.

    • miahi 4 hours ago

      Not really. They use aluminum fins because they are way lighter and cheaper. The copper tubes are actually heat pipes that transfer the heat through liquid/vapor phase change. And copper is used because the liquid inside is water (aluminum would corrode) and they are also easier to bend into shape (aluminum fatigues easier with bends, and pores would allow the liquid to escape).

  • miahi 4 hours ago

    In the energy results they are comparing their novel water block cold plate against an air cooled facility, not against a similar water-cooled facility.

  • aetherson 4 hours ago

    Copper is expensive, and the manufacturing process sounds finicky.

  • roesel 5 hours ago

    Until the micro/nano-patterned surface gets dirty at least.