European governments: 3.000 tracking sites, 1.000 phpMyAdmins, and 99% poorly

(internetcleanup.foundation)

58 points | by aequitas an hour ago ago

16 comments

  • debesyla 6 minutes ago

    Is there a list of these "goverment" sites anywhere?

    I have been working on similar project, focusing on lithuanian-only "goverment" sites, but it's not perfectly obvious how to recognise public vs private websites, as at least half of those are managed privatelly, used publically. (Mostly due that was cheaper and/or because lack of requirements and/or other weird situations.)

    But yeah, I can confirm that stats are same-ish in Lithuanian web too. I just havent finished gathering data yet, it will take a while.

  • Neil44 11 minutes ago

    To be fair it's pretty much the norm with shared and even vps hosting that your cpanel etc will be publicly accessible. Only people who hand-roll their setups will have things firewalled down etc. And if it's a website promoting a local tree planting initiative or whatever is it really a good use of budget to get everything hardened so much.

    • onion2k 10 minutes ago

      And if it's a website promoting a local tree planting initiative or whatever is it really a good use of budget to get everything hardened so much.

      Given the fact lots of sites like that have Wordpress 'databases' of form submissions full of people's personal data, absolutely definitely emphatically yes.

  • aequitas an hour ago

    Today we launch SecurityBaseline: monitoring 67.000 governments and 200.000 sites.

    Headlines: 3.000 governmental sites use tracking cookies illegally, over 1.000 database management interfaces are publicly reachable, 99% of governmental email is poorly encrypted.

    • repelsteeltje an hour ago

      Maybe post this as Show HN? And adjust headline to fit max chars.

      • aequitas 34 minutes ago

        Thanks, will do that.

  • JoheyDev888 11 minutes ago

    1000 public phpMyAdmins on government sites. In 2025. I don't even know what to say.

    • ExoticPearTree a minute ago

      Be thankful there are only so few.

      The thing with government stuff is that no one is held accountable. Even people “fired” from doing a lousy job in a place will just be transfered to another department or another government agency. No one really gets fired fired. And when you know nothing happens to your job… there is no incentive to be good at it.

    • m4tthumphrey 7 minutes ago

      Came here to say this. Absolutely insane.

      Why is phpMyAdmin even still needed/wanted in 2026? It's not exactly user friendly for a developer, let alone an average Gov employee...

    • rambambram 5 minutes ago

      Quit the lowkey PHP bashing, please.

  • jillesvangurp 10 minutes ago

    Interesting data set. Would be interesting to repeat the same for SMEs. In my experience, Germany is pretty hopelessly behind on everything except GDPR enforcement. They are kings of that. Must have a cookie screen, apparently. That's why they score so good on that and not much else.

    When the GDPR became active eight or so years ago, we got a few GDPR related requests to our service. Basically strongly worded requests to remove their data and account, which we of course honored. All of these came from Germany. Nobody else really cared. But it was kind of curious quickly that happened. What was interesting is that we had zero such requests before that law came into power. And it's not like we were misbehaving or would have denied such a request. This was more a matter of principle: "I now finally have the right to ask this, so I'm going to."

    Germany is a big reason GDPR got so complicated and why, hopefully soon, it will be updated to not be fixated on just cookies so much. It never really was about the cookies but about data handling and sharing.

    Any mobile app you install might track you without setting cookies and you can't install an ad blocker in those either. That's why Google loves apps so much. You don't actually need cookies for those. There usually is no cookie screen when you install one usually (unless it's a web app packaged up as an app). But sharing personal data with a third party provider is still problematic under GDPR. If you read the actual law, it barely mention cookies at all. The "must have consent screen for cookies" is just the common (mis)-interpretation for laymen; because it's the most visible impact that this has had on them. When it comes to date removal and other requests, it's less about features you have and more about processes you use for complying with legal requests. That can be a person answering emails and doing things manually. Doesn't scale if you get a lot of requests but it would be fine legally.

    • egorfine 6 minutes ago

      > What was interesting is that we had zero such requests before that law came into power

      Because these requests would be 100% ignored. And the law gave people the power they wanted.

      I'm mentally and legally far from Germany and I'm not a big supporter of GDPR, but this law is indeed a step in the right direction.

  • zihotki 21 minutes ago

    That's a wonderful initiative! I wanted first to complain about Dutch municipalities but looking at the foundation, I see fellow dutch- and belgian-men are already focusing on them!

  • lccerina 14 minutes ago

    Honestly surprised that Italian municipalities are doing relatively well compared to other countries. Maybe it helped a push from the government to have a shared design for municipal websites (https://github.com/orgs/italia/repositories?q=comuni)

  • oliviergg 18 minutes ago

    seems a good idea, but currently down.

    • aequitas 11 minutes ago

      slashdotted, dispite preparations :), working on it