40 comments

  • bramhaag 2 hours ago

    The requirements for the mobile devices are listed here: https://support.google.com/recaptcha/answer/16609652

    So it seems that you will need a modern Android device with Google Play Services installed or a modern iPhone/iPad to be allowed to browse the web in the future.

    No mention of device integrity verification yet, but the writing is on the wall.

    • NotPractical 39 minutes ago

      > No mention of device integrity verification yet

      If Google Play services is listed as a requirement, that implies that a "certified Android" device capable of Play Integrity attestation is required, since that's the only officially supported way to obtain Google Play services. On consumer-facing support articles like this, they don't tend to get into the nitty gritty details like what APIs are being used. If MEETS_DEVICE_INTEGRITY is required, that would probably not be explicitly listed here.

      E.g. the consumer documentation for Google Pay just says you need a "certified" Android device and a screen lock set up: https://support.google.com/wallet/answer/12200245

      (Yes, if you go deep into the FAQ at the end it eventually states that if you rooted your phone, you can't use tap to pay, but that requirement is implied by the certification requirement [1].)

      In Google's eyes, and in the eyes of the law due to trademarks filed by Google, Android == Google Android.

      This feature would make little sense if it's not using device attestation because otherwise it would be easy to spoof. I expect that it will initially not use it, and they will start A/B testing device attestation in the coming years.

      [1] Expand "What to do if you see device is not certified" -> "Reset device to fix issue" https://support.google.com/android/answer/7165974

    • hellojesus an hour ago

      This is going to make my grapheneos journey a bit more exciting. How wild to force users through an official google identification for web browsing.

      Does the iPhone recaptcha app force you to login with a Google account? Seems we didn't need ID verification for the web to lose all anonymity.

    • nerdsniper 37 minutes ago

      I believe you'll also need bluetooth enabled on both devices. At least you do for those "scan this QR code displayed on your computer to authenticate using the passkey on your phone" feature, which this seems analogous to. Bluetooth is used to ensure that the two devices are actually physically co-located.

    • everdrive an hour ago

      I've been saying for years that it does not make sense to browse the web on a smartphone. Eventually things will get bad enough that people will agree with me.

    • Hizonner an hour ago

      ... or you'll need to stop using reCAPTCHA if you want to get any traffic on your Web site.

      I know, people will slavishly knuckle under, but let me dream for a few minutes.

      • tardedmeme an hour ago

        99.999% of people don't give a shit and don't even know what this means. They'll follow the instructions. These are the same 99.999% of people who press win+R ctrl+V enter when the captcha prompts them to. Because do this to see the dancing bunnies.

        • ronsor an hour ago

          Yeah, this is going to turn into another malware vector, isn't it?

          • tardedmeme an hour ago

            Discord has a feature where you can log into your account on your PC by scanning a code on your phone.

            So does Binance.

        • mrguyorama an hour ago

          They will do exactly as it says while also ceaselessly complaining, completely unable to connect their choice to use a website with the pain of using that website.

          There's some sort of serious issue with learned helplessness or something

  • driverdan 13 minutes ago

    Any company that requires me to scan a QR code to make a purchase is losing my purchase.

  • MichaelNolan 26 minutes ago

    I’m trying to use my phone less and less. Ideally I’d like to even switch a dumb phone.

    But tactics like this will make that nearly impossible if every website starts requiring a QR code scan on a authorized smartphone.

  • arian_ 2 hours ago

    Google building harder walls against bots while simultaneously building AI agents that need to get through them is peak 2026.

    • Analemma_ 17 minutes ago

      It’s the same thing with Sam Altman and Worldcoin: create the problem, then sell people the solution (which also just so happens to shred more privacy). Play both sides and profit; it’s great work if you can get it.

    • throwaway67743 an hour ago

      With the apparent competence that built Gemini, I have zero faith in Google building or doing anything that works anymore.

    • tardedmeme an hour ago

      They're expecting everyone to whitelist Google agents because Google has the market share for people to complain if Google agents don't work.

    • mandeepj 35 minutes ago

      Point On! Probably done by two different teams, who don't know about each other. I hate this (re)captcha so bad. They assume everyone is bad.

  • ifh-hn 7 minutes ago

    Can I confirm that this is more shit from Google trying to lock people into their ecosystem (or Apples) under the guise security?

  • SoKamil 2 hours ago

    Google clearly wants only Google approved models to traverse the web.

  • xacky 2 hours ago

    The fact that mobile devices are now mandatory to prove "humanness" means that Google no longer trusts desktop/open platforms anymore.

    • dredmorbius 40 minutes ago

      Where is this specified? I don't see that in TFA.

      • skinfaxi 30 minutes ago

        I think they are jumping ahead but it does seem like a logical conclusion. Would tie in nicely with the online ID verification stuff popping up everywhere.

  • LoganDark 19 minutes ago

    Human verification via QR code does not mitigate labor farms.

  • mayama 2 hours ago

    The site doesn't mention this. But, are they locking down QR code auth for only safetynet authenticated devices and with mobile number verification?

    • bobbiechen 2 hours ago

      Yeah, I had the same question myself. I think that's what you would want to do to make it airtight (plus some amount of rate limiting or flagging for devices that are part of dedicated device farms).

      But even if not, there's still value in raising the barrier to entry. For example, you can buy 1000 reCaptcha solves for $1-2 from various captcha-solver services. And yet that $0.001-per-request fee does discourage mass-scale bot attacks.

      • Hizonner an hour ago

        ... You... think... it would be a good thing.

        Don't you...

        • IshKebab 9 minutes ago

          I do. It has downsides of course, but what's the alternative at this point?

  • amazingamazing an hour ago

    How are people stopping bots reliably?

    • hephaes7us 6 minutes ago

      You can't, really. If a user can access the site, so can a bot.

      You may be able to make it more expensive than your information is worth, but of course that affects users too.

  • stupidgeek314 2 hours ago

    Why can't an AI scan the QR code? Just fire up an emulator if necessary

    • nerdsniper 34 minutes ago

      Bluetooth is generally used to prove that the two devices are co-located, which makes it more complex to do your proposed kind of deployment at-scale. Bespoke solutions could perhaps work around for some smaller number of devices, this QR code layer by itself isn't intended to stop 100% of workarounds.

      • halapro 31 minutes ago

        No browser supports Bluetooth.

        • LoganDark 17 minutes ago

          Chrome does...

          • drusepth 6 minutes ago

            Interestingly, only on desktop/Android and not iOS it seems.

    • tardedmeme an hour ago

      The app that scans the code talks to the TPM in your phone to prove that your phone is running an unmodified Google OS.

      • hellojesus an hour ago

        I know that's the final destination, but I didn't see that listed in the requirements page linked above. Any proof of this affecting the current implementation?

      • themafia an hour ago

        Which would be meaningful if phones weren't remotely controllable.

        So the net effect is every AI agent will also have and connect to a physical phone.

        • tardedmeme an hour ago

          The attestation will include a unique ID of the phone, so that if you get banned you have to keep buying new phones and keep paying money to Google. Google won't stop this because it makes them money.

          And the official Google OS just won't feature remote-control software.

        • Hizonner 41 minutes ago

          ... which is why you'll get locked out if you happen to visit an unusual number of sites in a day.

  • mrguyorama an hour ago

    Google and the reCAPTCHA network aren't even that good with fraud prevention. You would think being literally omniscient over the whole internet would make it trivial to catch account takeovers, and Gmail has a proven track record at resisting account takeover, but when we tried to integrate their fraud signals, they were worthless, worse than the rest of the industry, worse than our homegrown trash from a decade ago.

    Because Google doesn't actually care about preventing fraud, they just want the data you feed them and the fraud feedback you provide. It's all take, no mutual business.