29 comments

  • somenameforme 4 hours ago

    Could this not have been simply an instinct to find cleaner waters? I'm surprised they didn't add another control group which injected something unpleasant that could be naturally found in an area, but would be undesirable - ammonia, some sort of acid, or something along those lines.

    • anthonj 3 hours ago

      The title ie a bit misleading:

      The study want to prove that cocaine is yet another polluter thar alters the fish behaviour even in the small quantities that can be found in the wild in polluted areas. Not that something is special or different about cocaine pollution.

      So the control group in this case are fishes with an implant with no drug at all.

      https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(26)...

    • gus_massa an hour ago

      At very low doses, for example chewing the leaves of coke instead of using the high purified version, it's somewhat like drinking a coffee [1].

      I expect the fish to be more active. A coffee patch would be a nice 4th group as another control.

      [1] Chewing the leaves of coke is common in many countries of South America, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acullico

      • tomalbrc 35 minutes ago

        Why would you yap on like that when commenter anthonj already explained what is going on.

        • defrost 27 minutes ago

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        • gus_massa 17 minutes ago

          Because even in low concentrations, I expect cocaine to have a different effect than Valium. (And in both case I expect a different effect at high concentrations.)

    • kees99 2 hours ago

      Agree with your point overall, but ammonia in particular is a poor example.

      Fish lack urea cycle, so they produce and excrete significant amounts of ammonia as part of normal metabolism.

  • throwa356262 2 hours ago

    And just like that, smoked Salmon became popular again :)

    BTW, did you knew municipalities can easily measure fluctuations in drug usage by testing the sewage water? In fact, sometimes they can see clear differences between different parts of the city.

    • hmokiguess 2 hours ago

      Is data like that sold anywhere? I wonder if there’s an analytics market for profiling neighborhoods based on sewage water content now. If my browser history wasn’t already rock bottom, that’s a new low for the ad market

    • mschuster91 an hour ago

      > BTW, did you knew municipalities can easily measure fluctuations in drug usage by testing the sewage water?

      Yep. Not just drugs are monitored this way, but also the spread of infectious diseases. That can lead to sometimes pretty weird findings - for example, polio virus is supposed to be extinct, but every so often it shows up in sewage monitoring of major German cities [1]. The cause most likely are people (tourists and immigrants) from Africa and Asia that got an attenuated virus-based vaccination in their home country shortly before they came here.

      Covid is, at least in Bavaria, also part of the regular monitoring schedule [2], Austria monitors for Covid, RSV and influenza [3].

      [1] https://www.aerzteblatt.de/news/erreger-der-kinderlaehmung-i...

      [2] https://bay-voc.lgl.bayern.de/abwassermonitoring

      [3] https://abwasser.ages.at/de/

  • shrubble 2 hours ago

    I learned recently about “Vin Mariani” a wine from the 1860s that was fortified with coca leaves and contained 6mg per liquid ounce of the wine; except for the bottles sold in USA where it was 7.2mg per ounce, because there were other patent medicines that had cocaine in them and the manufacturer added a bit more to be competitive in the market.

    The Pope of the time loved the stuff and awarded the company a Vatican medal for it.

    • sekh60 an hour ago

      While I love the Internet and all sorts of modern life fixtures (in a developed country), I feel a bit like I missed out by not being alive when all the crazy drinks were around.

    • colechristensen 12 minutes ago

      And John Pemberton produced a clone of Vin Mariani but when alcohol prohibition was passed in Atlanta he produced a non-acoholic version... coca-cola.

    • j_french an hour ago

      never knew this was a thing. seems it's still available to buy! sounds like a more respectable version of Buckfast, the tonic wine made in an abbey in Devon that had/has a cult popularity with the youth of parts of Ireland and Scotland

  • pixelpoet 3 hours ago

    Shine on you crazy salmon

  • api 2 hours ago

    Cocaine bear, cocaine shark, cocaine… salmon?

  • windowliker 38 minutes ago

    Next up: smackhead whales, dolphins on crack, and manatees hitting the bong.

  • zhouzhao 5 hours ago

    If that is not one good argument to start producing cocaine locally, then I don't know!

    Save the fish.

    • HPsquared 5 hours ago

      Roaming more widely may not be healthy for the salmon.

      • parodysbird 4 hours ago

        Whether it is or is not, is not a function of the cocaine though, but rather idiosyncrasies of the wider ecologies the salmon are in.

        If roaming more widely introduces them to more productive food opportunities (or, lower predation) than their closer ecology, then it would be beneficial for them. If it does not, then it wouldn't be. Neither context is determined in the basic finding that cocaine causes them to roam more widely.

      • grebc 3 hours ago

        They’re in a better mood though.

      • finghin 4 hours ago

        I think another study is in order examining how cocaine affects breeding habits.

    • kvgr 2 hours ago

      What about the rats and turtles in sewers? They might become more agresive!

      • lynx97 2 hours ago

        There is trash 80s "horror" movie waiting to be made.

      • zhouzhao 2 hours ago

        Gotta give them something to improve their perception of their living conditions!

  • throwpoaster 2 hours ago

    We’re looking at you, Vancouver.