San Francisco Solved Metro Vandalism with One Neat Trick

(theatlantic.com)

33 points | by mmcclure a day ago ago

11 comments

  • rmason a day ago

    This is worth the read whether you have a subscription or not: https://archive.is/wXRzR

    Turns out the people who jump the turnstiles of subways are way more likely to commit violence or vandalism than paying riders. For years the Left said fare enforcement efforts were a waste of money, turns out they were wrong.

    • nerdsniper 12 hours ago

      I'd be curious whether these people would still commit vandalism at the same rate if the subways were free in the same way that roads are free. And if so, I'd presume there would exist a good way to catch them for vandalism rather than jumping turnstiles?

    • stubish 16 hours ago

      It would be interesting to know if the problems simply moved elsewhere. Why pay to vandalize when you can vandalize somewhere else for free?

    • sapphicsnail 20 hours ago

      Definitely worth shooting innocent bystanders over

      https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/brooklyn-subway-shooti...

  • camkego 20 hours ago

    I don't claim to understand the factors which cause this, but a lack of security and exposed valuables at unlocked-doors, pre-opening mall in Shenzhen China without issues at 8am in the morning is very curious.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TZMXdR5fDrw

    It seems pretty foreign to me, a PNW US citizen.

  • Andaith a day ago

    This article made me think of public bathrooms in the UK, which, despite having to pay to enter, are some of the most disgusting public bathrooms I've seen.

    I like the idea of the throne public bathrooms. Not requiring payment, but identification instead. I wonder if you just enter your phone number, or if they text you a code you have to enter to verify that it's your phone number?

    This also feels like the sort of problem the Chinese social credit system is meant to solve. With cameras everywhere & facial/gait recognition, they can identify people anywhere in public, and punish bad behaviour below the level of crime.

    I also remember the UK years had a psychologist change the wording/structure of some tax forms to increase % of on time payments, and it worked so well they set up a department to do it in other areas of govt. I wonder what happened with that...

    Anyway, it's an interesting problem space.

    • JLO64 a day ago

      I use the Throne bathrooms all the time here in LA. They’re really conveniently placed next to a bunch of Metro stops and are pretty frequently used. I’d actually argue that for busier stations (North Hollywood) more should be added!

      The way it works is that you text a phone number (facilitated by a QR code) which Throne you want to use and it automatically opens. These bathrooms play classical music and are touchless so you don’t have to touch any knobs or buttons, you just wave over a sensor to operate the sink or open the door. It’s overall super frictionless/convenient and I agree with the article on how well they’ve been treated (I haven’t seen any graffiti or vandalism yet) despite their frequent use.

    • tonyedgecombe 18 hours ago

      >I wonder what happened with that...

      It got privatised.

      https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/behavioural-insi...

    • zarify 18 hours ago

      Sounds like yet another thing that makes life harder for the unbanked, the homeless etc.

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