13 comments

  • chopete3 2 hours ago

    >> Investors placed a bet

    Aren't these more of gamblers?. There is no real asset they are investing in.

    • alex43578 an hour ago

      Oil futures are absolutely a real asset - this isn’t Kalshi “who wins an Oscar” junk. Oil futures let consumers like airlines hedge prices, so their role in price discovery and liquidity is important.

  • bix6 10 hours ago

    Is it possible to trace this stuff back to individuals? Would love AI to do that.

    • Jimmc414 9 hours ago

      Since it's commodities it would be the CFTC, but it would be trivial since brokers are required by law to collect KYC information on all futures trades and anyone holding positions above the Large Trader Reporting threshold (a few hundred contracts for crude) is already disclosed to the CFTC by name. 7,990 lots of Brent in a one minute window is enormously above that threshold.

    • jackyinger 8 hours ago

      I would love it if real people did that, and then acted on what they found with moral integrity.

    • Grosvenor 10 hours ago

      Yes, if the SEC decides to they can trace it back to specific orders.

      Will the SEC decide to?

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      • an0malous 9 hours ago

        The orders are coming from… inside the house??

      • walletdrainer 5 hours ago

        CFTC, SEC does not regulate commodities but securities.

    • ulfw an hour ago

      Would love human with brain to do that.

    • JumpCrisscross 5 hours ago

      > Is it possible to trace this stuff back to individuals?

      Yes, depending where the trades were based and their market participants' KYC rigor.

      As the article mentions, the CFTC "is examining a series of trades in oil futures placed shortly before major shifts in President Donald Trump's Iran war policy" [1]. If the "lots of Brent crude futures" the article mentioned traded on the Intercontinental Exchange [2], when we can almost certainly trace it back to at least some individuals.

      [1] https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-probes-suspicious...

      [2] https://www.ice.com/products/219/Brent-Crude-Futures/data

    • watwut 5 hours ago

      Why AI? You want tracker that dont hallucinate.

      But, you also need DOJ that prosecutes rich guy white crime, so.

  • refurb 7 hours ago

    If this trade is based on inside information, it would be on the Iranian side since it's timed on the IRGC's X post.

    That seems like a smart move by Iran. Get rich off your own announcements.