Indeed the conclusion has no relation to the survey. A 'tradwife' strongly implies full-time-homemaker / stay-at-home mom, so only [1] would ambiguously match the term at best.
- No, Relationship, Travel, creative career, kids.
- Normal job, married, "trad husband"
and I suppose there are others and "Trad" wife would cover "Happily married, kids, ‘no’ job.". I also suppose "Trad" implies a "leave it to Beaver mother " sort of lifestyle, always homemaking watching kids. Not out doing stuff.
It is a shame that the term has come up like it has. It is trying to put people into a very broad category. Any one in a marriage involving a man "winning the bread" and a woman taking care of the domestic work is going to be put in the same category as people with different views on topics like immigration, tariffs, and other political topics.
well, corporations and government will not like this article, but it had to come to an end due to high stress, massive layouts and low child births. No need to be in a dog fight all the time
With all the projections of a pending population collapse, we should probably want these numbers to be even higher.
Being a mother and raising good kids is an invaluable role in society, and a generation of women were brainwashed to see it as a form of oppression. I don’t know what could be more empowering than bringing life into the world, or more rewarding than watching child grow up. What career is going to give that level of satisfaction?
Being a father and raising good kids is an invaluable role in society.
As an immigrant in Sweden, I love that I had so much paid parental leave to be with my babies.
In the US, where I used to live, parental leave is a joke. There are generations of people brainwashed to believe fathers aren't involved in taking children to the park, changing diapers, and so on, and brainwashed to think that seeing single men in children's spaces is abnormal and suspicious.
I don't see what can be more empowering than letting both parents have time with the new life they brought into the world, and working together to watch the child grow up.
What career is going to give that level of satisfaction to men?
After the Butlerian Jihad, my backup plan is to work at the preschool.
My sister thought to be a stay-at-home mother until the kids started kindergarten, then changed her mind after a few years as she found it so frustrating and tedious. My wife and I looked forward to when our kids started preschool, so I could do work and she could take classes. Neither of us are defined by having kids.
There's a reason Valium was "Mother’s Little Helper" in the trad-wife home of the 1960s!
> a generation of women were brainwashed to see it as a form of oppression
Is that really the biggest reason why people are having less kids? Or is it more the idea that these days you two good incomes live in a world with a rising cost of living? Most women I know either have or want kids. And it's really the financial situation that influences these decisions the most.
If you look at the linked results (which might not be statistically solid anyway, this is some sort of online survey) it’s ”47% want stable marriage with kids”, no mention of tradwife, which at least I understand as men earning the money and women knowing their place.
Hmm... Maybe we taught people they could be what they wanted to be rather than what their society told them they wanted to be? Maybe they wanted to be parents, home or working. Maybe they didn't want to be parents, home or working.
And as others have said, today's society has too many financial requirements and distractions to make it easy to "live traditionally". People don't seem willing to give up their economic freedom/toys, either.
This is such a hilarious way of attempting to reconcile with the unsettling, ungrounding realization that anyone could be anyone if you didn't coerce them. If they were free.
After reading the article, I feel that the conclusion is incorrect.
After reading through the questions and underlying answers, here’s what was presented:
[1]- Trophy wife, Rich partner, no job [2]- Single, Famous, independent (children ambiguous) [3]- Happily married, kids, ‘normal’ job. [4]- Relationship, Travel, creative career, no kids.
Percentages were: 14%,23%,46%, 16%.
https://edubirdie.com/blog/heart-or-hustle-gen-z-women-on-lo...
Somehow ‘tradwife’ in this scenario is anything that doesn’t fit into the three other buckets.
Indeed the conclusion has no relation to the survey. A 'tradwife' strongly implies full-time-homemaker / stay-at-home mom, so only [1] would ambiguously match the term at best.
I suppose other categories could be:
- Trophy wife, Rich partner, job.
- Married, Famous, independent (children ambiguous)
- No, Relationship, Travel, creative career, kids.
- Normal job, married, "trad husband"
and I suppose there are others and "Trad" wife would cover "Happily married, kids, ‘no’ job.". I also suppose "Trad" implies a "leave it to Beaver mother " sort of lifestyle, always homemaking watching kids. Not out doing stuff.
How many other categories could be thought up.
It is a shame that the term has come up like it has. It is trying to put people into a very broad category. Any one in a marriage involving a man "winning the bread" and a woman taking care of the domestic work is going to be put in the same category as people with different views on topics like immigration, tariffs, and other political topics.
well, corporations and government will not like this article, but it had to come to an end due to high stress, massive layouts and low child births. No need to be in a dog fight all the time
With all the projections of a pending population collapse, we should probably want these numbers to be even higher.
Being a mother and raising good kids is an invaluable role in society, and a generation of women were brainwashed to see it as a form of oppression. I don’t know what could be more empowering than bringing life into the world, or more rewarding than watching child grow up. What career is going to give that level of satisfaction?
Being a father and raising good kids is an invaluable role in society.
As an immigrant in Sweden, I love that I had so much paid parental leave to be with my babies.
In the US, where I used to live, parental leave is a joke. There are generations of people brainwashed to believe fathers aren't involved in taking children to the park, changing diapers, and so on, and brainwashed to think that seeing single men in children's spaces is abnormal and suspicious.
I don't see what can be more empowering than letting both parents have time with the new life they brought into the world, and working together to watch the child grow up.
What career is going to give that level of satisfaction to men?
After the Butlerian Jihad, my backup plan is to work at the preschool.
My sister thought to be a stay-at-home mother until the kids started kindergarten, then changed her mind after a few years as she found it so frustrating and tedious. My wife and I looked forward to when our kids started preschool, so I could do work and she could take classes. Neither of us are defined by having kids.
There's a reason Valium was "Mother’s Little Helper" in the trad-wife home of the 1960s!
I think the oppression part is the "this is the most fulfilling thing you should aspire to and society will collapse if you don't".
> a generation of women were brainwashed to see it as a form of oppression
Is that really the biggest reason why people are having less kids? Or is it more the idea that these days you two good incomes live in a world with a rising cost of living? Most women I know either have or want kids. And it's really the financial situation that influences these decisions the most.
You make some pretty big assumptions here.
If you look at the linked results (which might not be statistically solid anyway, this is some sort of online survey) it’s ”47% want stable marriage with kids”, no mention of tradwife, which at least I understand as men earning the money and women knowing their place.
So it’s bullshit.
Ran through the data myself, and agree with your conclusion. Somehow, they turned: Marriage + job + children into ‘tradwife’.
the modern workplace is an abusive untrustworthy surveillance hell for everyone, the premise is deeply misleading.
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We taught men to be women and women to be men. Hopefully the tide shifts and we go back to sanity.
Hmm... Maybe we taught people they could be what they wanted to be rather than what their society told them they wanted to be? Maybe they wanted to be parents, home or working. Maybe they didn't want to be parents, home or working.
And as others have said, today's society has too many financial requirements and distractions to make it easy to "live traditionally". People don't seem willing to give up their economic freedom/toys, either.
This is such a hilarious way of attempting to reconcile with the unsettling, ungrounding realization that anyone could be anyone if you didn't coerce them. If they were free.