The Subprime AI Crisis Is Here

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48 points | by dmitrygr 9 hours ago ago

20 comments

  • jwpapi 8 hours ago

    Endgame is IPOing those AI companies and getting them on indexes, forcing index funds to buy them, which seemed to be evergreen investment category, but I’m not so sure anymore..

    Did somebody say crypto?

    • jgalt212 6 hours ago

      Their backers certainly enough money and political muscle to force this outcome.

  • fg3fgq 8 hours ago

    LLMs are capable and able to produce value. There's no questioning that - anyone who says otherwise is in absolute denial.

    The problem is.... the amount invested makes zero sense and the returns needed to justify the valuations of these firms won't come.

    The players in the Tech industry in general have gotten way too ahead of themselves. When this all settles the big danger for MSFT, Google, Meta etc is that investors will trust them with the cash on the balance sheet less - demanding more cash return. Apple will come through this period very strong and end up looking like they played a genius move keeping out of it.

    • random__duck 5 hours ago

      Define "value", because is seems pretty negative value at the moment.

    • nickphx 6 hours ago

      Oh yeah? What value have they generated? How is it valuable to rehash existing data in a non-deterministic stream of nonsense?

      • Zetaphor 4 hours ago

        We use local models in data processing pipelines. Being able to do compute with language has plenty of use cases

      • whattheheckheck 5 hours ago

        Its not rehashing, its recombining and mixing any concept ever in minutes. If you cant find value in that you're not being creative enough

      • fg3fgq 5 hours ago

        I used Grok heavily to generate a 5min marketing video that got MP's to back my project.

        So... go ahead. Try and claim Im lying. I pity you - I'm not lying.

        Do I care about whether xAI/Grok survives as a going concern? Absolutely not. Did it generate value for me? Absolutely yes.

  • bayarearefugee 8 hours ago

    And this is all before the AI industry starts to feel the real impact of the ongoing oil (and helium) shock that Trump caused for no coherent reason.

    Going to be an interesting next couple of years...

    • therobots927 5 hours ago

      It’s gonna be funny as long as taxpayers don’t end up bailing the likes of scam Altman. I wouldn’t put it past Trump and the GOP to absolutely loot the place on their way out pre-November and cut their tech bros in on the action. But that means the VC SF dipshits better speedrun this collapse because they’ve got exactly 7 months to become a “systemic risk” to the US economy.

  • upghost 7 hours ago

    Great writeup. Only thing I din't see in here was an analysis of the impact of players like Talaas[1] and their stupid faster hardware LLMs.

    I feel like it could be majorly disruptive, but idk if it's going to prolong the apocalypse or bring it about sooner -- or if it's a big nothing burger.

    But the demo[2] is super cool.

    [1]: https://taalas.com

    [2]: https://chatjimmy.ai/

    • mathgladiator 5 hours ago

      I'm bullist for something like talaas to get smaller and easy to put in a desktop. Imagine an RPG where NPCs.... are way more complex and the entire game is very non deterministic.

  • jgalt212 6 hours ago

    Every time these shops seem to be out of runway, they do another raise[1]. The investor class is far from running out of funds to support this adventure. They will run out of patience or find the shiny new thing before there's a liquidity crisis. I suspect a good portion of the cash pulled from private credit goes towards further funding of the AI trade.

    [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/31/technology/openai-12-bill...

    • whattheheckheck 5 hours ago

      Inveator class is loving the stress on the normal worker ai is causing and making them work harder for fear of layoffs

  • npilk 9 hours ago

    I would respect Ed (and Gary Marcus) more if they would concede the occasional point. But everything AI is always a hyperbolic and unqualified disaster. I suppose that's what the audience wants.

    "every bit of AI demand ... that exists only exists due to subsidies"

    Really? NOBODY would pay whatever the fully-loaded cost is? What about people running local models on their own GPUs? Are they being subsidized too?

    • anonymous_user9 8 hours ago

      > Are they being subsidized too?

      Yes, because they didn't pay the cost to train those models in the first place.

      • npilk 8 hours ago

        True, good point. I still think the piece goes too far with its claims.

    • therobots927 6 hours ago

      Your loss. Dude is on the cutting edge and 90% of Silicon Valley is in a cult.

  • supliminal 8 hours ago

    > What use is Perplexity without an eternal subsidy? The value of having Aravind Srivinas sitting around your office all day? I’d rather start my car in the garage.

    Lmao