I've only seen a small portion of the chaos from my side of the market, but that's been chaotic enough.
All of this chaos has actually slowed down our US manufacturing buildout. We'd like to build US factories, but we're having to slow them because of the uncertainty. A foreign factory only has the uncertainty on the US import/export, while a US factory has uncertainty on all imports/exports.
If only the people responsible for the tariffs, who miss no chance to (miss)quote Reagan, would take the time to listen to his actual words regarding tariffs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t5QK03KXPc
It's hard to overstate how screwed hardware design and prototyping would be if companies like digi-key went under. There's only a few electronics distributors like them around and most of them are centered in the US.
It seems that no one ever mentions that every dollar given up to tariffs is that much less for growing staff, equipment, facility and R&D expansion. It's literally a drag on the entire GDP and ecomomic growth.
More subtle is that every dollar saved in buying components from China is more money for all of the forementioned.
Lol DigiKey has been itemizing tariffs for years. They're not "giving up" any money; it's literally an extra line item on your invoice.
For the same reason when small local businesses charge you a 3% service fee to use credit; they're not giving up that money because you wouldn't have been charged it otherwise.
When I order from Mouser (a Digi-key competitor based in Dallas) they plainly charge a 10-15% tariff fee. I'm struggling to understand why this solution isn't obvious. You have to pass the cost onto the consumer, or your margins dwindle. It's trivial math.
> People are also having to intervene in once-automated tasks. Thousands of orders that used to auto-flow directly to the warehouse floor for same-day shipping now often miscalculate tariff costs.
> > People are also having to intervene in once-automated tasks. Thousands of orders that used to auto-flow directly to the warehouse floor for same-day shipping now often miscalculate tariff costs.
> Charge a blanket tariff fee like Mouser.
The importer still needs to pay the correct tariff.
Also, according to the article, a big part of the problem for is that Digi-Key does substantial business selling imported parts to non-US buyers. It’s fantastic for the US that this business can exist (money flows into the US and actual good jobs are created), but the tariff system makes is difficult to run this part of the business and there’s a lot of pressure to move those jobs and the revenue to a different country that doesn’t have this problem.
I worked at Mouser as an engineer for a few years. This included work on the service that charges this blanket tariff rate, which includes incredibly complex business logic that ended up taking half the year to make. and that was with upper management pushing us very hard to get it done. Digi key from what i understood is a smaller company that lacks the ability the capacity to get something like this done as fast. or at least thats my best guess. Mouser knew the obstacles digi key dealt with when it came to things like capacity, storage, and developer power. I remember the discussions about how we could "beat" them out in sales revenue and why we were more "bulletproof" in the way we did business.
Yeah that’s what I thought too. I think people are find with some 50-100% hike of prices on ham radios, oscilloscopes, and even phones, if local production starts to appear.
None of those benefits of a price hike go to American workers. They get low wage factory jobs, not old school pension jobs, and all their stuff goes up in price?
Laughable. I doubt Americans won’t even pay 5% more to get stuff made in the USA.
Ah OK, so when do we see production coming back to North America? On the other hand, didn't TMSC and other manufacturers plan to open a few spots in the US?
I worked at Mouser as a developer for a few years, the real reason is because our parts are used by terrorists, etc. to build weapons that kill people/bombs.
We created a service that blocks people from buying various parts using a ton of different complex business rules (one simple rule we had was we straight up didn't sell ANYTHING to the middle east for a while).
Startups were another business we didn't sell to simply because of the sheer amount of fake companies we got trying to work around our rules engine.
Alot of the rules for our service was mandated from the FBI. That was a fun call to reveive from them.
As someone who builds apps with zero marginal distribution costs, the sheer friction of hardware logistics is terrifying. Digi-Key basically operates as a massive physical API for components, but unlike pulling a package from NPM, an arbitrary tariff can instantly invert their unit economics. It really puts indie developer complaints about Apple's platform cut into perspective when physical supply chains are this vulnerable to sudden geopolitical tax shocks.
Even if tariffs are refunded at some point, the cost of implementing and managing the tariffs, list sales, lost opportunities and so on are not. Nor is the cost of recovering the tariffs from the government.
The supreme court overturned the emergency act tariffs, but trump immediately used another statute to re-instate tariffs (effective for six months, anyway).
For china, the supreme court ruling was effectively a 5% reduction in tariffs. The situation remains dumb.
Does North America have some supply of those electronics components, or are we totally depending on Asian producers? I assume if prices hike up it will improve local production — or it was suggested since the introduction of more tariffs.
Anyone who works in the semi industry has been hearing management try to be politically correct when trying to explain how badly tariffs are screwing everyone over every quarter. Tying themselves in knots to avoid saying how idiotic the trump administration is. And here we are trying to wait him out until the us gets a president with a brain. Good luck I hope all can outlast this.
I've only seen a small portion of the chaos from my side of the market, but that's been chaotic enough.
All of this chaos has actually slowed down our US manufacturing buildout. We'd like to build US factories, but we're having to slow them because of the uncertainty. A foreign factory only has the uncertainty on the US import/export, while a US factory has uncertainty on all imports/exports.
Anecdotes are not data, so here's some data:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/C307RC1Q027SBEA
US Factory build out investment increased from $80B/year to $240B/year under Biden.
Trump's economic policy has managed to undo $30B of that so far, and the trend is accelerating.
If only the people responsible for the tariffs, who miss no chance to (miss)quote Reagan, would take the time to listen to his actual words regarding tariffs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t5QK03KXPc
It's hard to overstate how screwed hardware design and prototyping would be if companies like digi-key went under. There's only a few electronics distributors like them around and most of them are centered in the US.
If we lost Digikey, Mouser, and AVNET, it would be catastrophic. Entire US engineering divisions would leave for Shenzhen.
What about farnell and arrow?
It seems that no one ever mentions that every dollar given up to tariffs is that much less for growing staff, equipment, facility and R&D expansion. It's literally a drag on the entire GDP and ecomomic growth.
More subtle is that every dollar saved in buying components from China is more money for all of the forementioned.
Lol DigiKey has been itemizing tariffs for years. They're not "giving up" any money; it's literally an extra line item on your invoice.
For the same reason when small local businesses charge you a 3% service fee to use credit; they're not giving up that money because you wouldn't have been charged it otherwise.
When I order from Mouser (a Digi-key competitor based in Dallas) they plainly charge a 10-15% tariff fee. I'm struggling to understand why this solution isn't obvious. You have to pass the cost onto the consumer, or your margins dwindle. It's trivial math.
> People are also having to intervene in once-automated tasks. Thousands of orders that used to auto-flow directly to the warehouse floor for same-day shipping now often miscalculate tariff costs.
Charge a blanket tariff fee like Mouser.
> > People are also having to intervene in once-automated tasks. Thousands of orders that used to auto-flow directly to the warehouse floor for same-day shipping now often miscalculate tariff costs.
> Charge a blanket tariff fee like Mouser.
The importer still needs to pay the correct tariff.
Also, according to the article, a big part of the problem for is that Digi-Key does substantial business selling imported parts to non-US buyers. It’s fantastic for the US that this business can exist (money flows into the US and actual good jobs are created), but the tariff system makes is difficult to run this part of the business and there’s a lot of pressure to move those jobs and the revenue to a different country that doesn’t have this problem.
I worked at Mouser as an engineer for a few years. This included work on the service that charges this blanket tariff rate, which includes incredibly complex business logic that ended up taking half the year to make. and that was with upper management pushing us very hard to get it done. Digi key from what i understood is a smaller company that lacks the ability the capacity to get something like this done as fast. or at least thats my best guess. Mouser knew the obstacles digi key dealt with when it came to things like capacity, storage, and developer power. I remember the discussions about how we could "beat" them out in sales revenue and why we were more "bulletproof" in the way we did business.
Can't Digikey simply charge a say 25% premium? Would that push them out of the market, considering demand is still high.
Yeah that’s what I thought too. I think people are find with some 50-100% hike of prices on ham radios, oscilloscopes, and even phones, if local production starts to appear.
What lol no they’re not.
None of those benefits of a price hike go to American workers. They get low wage factory jobs, not old school pension jobs, and all their stuff goes up in price?
Laughable. I doubt Americans won’t even pay 5% more to get stuff made in the USA.
Ah OK, so when do we see production coming back to North America? On the other hand, didn't TMSC and other manufacturers plan to open a few spots in the US?
Mouser has become unreliable. Most of the analog parts we've ordered get cancelled and customer service has no clue why.
Just once I managed to get to some kind of manager who told me point blank "we won't sell this part to startups."
I worked at Mouser as a developer for a few years, the real reason is because our parts are used by terrorists, etc. to build weapons that kill people/bombs.
We created a service that blocks people from buying various parts using a ton of different complex business rules (one simple rule we had was we straight up didn't sell ANYTHING to the middle east for a while).
Startups were another business we didn't sell to simply because of the sheer amount of fake companies we got trying to work around our rules engine.
Alot of the rules for our service was mandated from the FBI. That was a fun call to reveive from them.
The accounting of it all would be far from trivial.
As someone who builds apps with zero marginal distribution costs, the sheer friction of hardware logistics is terrifying. Digi-Key basically operates as a massive physical API for components, but unlike pulling a package from NPM, an arbitrary tariff can instantly invert their unit economics. It really puts indie developer complaints about Apple's platform cut into perspective when physical supply chains are this vulnerable to sudden geopolitical tax shocks.
Should note that this article is from April 2025. Digikey sruvives and the tariffs are supposed to be refunded.
Even if tariffs are refunded at some point, the cost of implementing and managing the tariffs, list sales, lost opportunities and so on are not. Nor is the cost of recovering the tariffs from the government.
The supreme court overturned the emergency act tariffs, but trump immediately used another statute to re-instate tariffs (effective for six months, anyway).
For china, the supreme court ruling was effectively a 5% reduction in tariffs. The situation remains dumb.
https://www.china-briefing.com/news/us-china-tariff-rates-20... (Url says 2025 but has been updated continuously)
Does North America have some supply of those electronics components, or are we totally depending on Asian producers? I assume if prices hike up it will improve local production — or it was suggested since the introduction of more tariffs.
Anyone who works in the semi industry has been hearing management try to be politically correct when trying to explain how badly tariffs are screwing everyone over every quarter. Tying themselves in knots to avoid saying how idiotic the trump administration is. And here we are trying to wait him out until the us gets a president with a brain. Good luck I hope all can outlast this.