Philosoph Jürgen Habermas Gestorben

(spiegel.de)

57 points | by sebastian_z 2 hours ago ago

21 comments

  • jhoho 12 minutes ago

    He regularly wrote essays for "Süddeutsche Zeitung", commenting on the world's political situation. The last one I read was published in November 2025. Sharp as a knives, as always. I'll miss them.

    What an accomplished life.

  • the-grump an hour ago

    Rick Roderick on Habermas.

    The series "Self Under Siege" is one of my favorite things on YouTube. Highly recommend watching all 8 in order.

    https://youtu.be/aXkmmfaZhEg

  • PaulHoule 2 hours ago

    I love his

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimation_Crisis_(book)

    but feel this ponderous two-volume set

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Theory_of_Communicative_Ac...

    is thoroughly refuted by our last two decades of experience with electronic communications.

  • Tomte 2 hours ago

    SEP: https://plato.stanford.edu/archives/win2024/entries/habermas...

    My favorite quote of Habermas ist about Luhmann’s[1] theory: "It‘s all wrong, but it‘s got quality".

    [1] the Zettelkasten person

    • smooc an hour ago

      I like Luhmann’s theory better. What i like about it is that Luhmann argues that the smallest denominator of a social system is a realation between two. Habermas says it can be brought down to an individual. Which in my mind defeats the “social” part.

      • goodmythical 23 minutes ago

        Havin not read the underlying theory, is the society of one constructed with the belief that one has relations to one's self?

        That is, I could see that the idea of a society of two could be derived from a society of one in that I could extend my desire to be kind to my past, present, and future selves, to a desire to be kind to selves that are not my own.

        Kind of like a computing network being a generalisation of the network that exists inside anyone one machine in that networking is just i/o with more steps and more wire?

  • nkurz an hour ago

    "Jürgen Habermas is dead. The philosopher and sociologist died on Saturday in Starnberg at the age of 96."

    https://www-spiegel-de.translate.goog/kultur/philosoph-juerg...

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  • FabHK 2 hours ago

    I wondered to which extent Habermas with the Frankfurter Schule and Critical Theory could be held partially responsible for postmodernism's march through the institutions, identity politics, and indirectly for Trump's two election victories. But it looks like he was explicitly critical of postmodernism and other counter-enlightenment movements.

    RIP.

    • gr__or 3 minutes ago

      I find this to be vile political posting, moving responsibility for Trump's rightwing fascism to a social theorists is just misguided, banal and does not belong here. Don't you have X for that?

  • sombragris an hour ago

    RIP. He was a giant among philosophers.

  • minebreaker an hour ago

    I have to say I'm quite disappointed by his attitude against Palestine. RIP, but not with the victims.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/22/israel-hamas-w...

    • nwellnhof 23 minutes ago

      The majority of Germans is completely biased towards Zionism because of their history, so it's more of a cultural than a personal thing.

      • submeta 18 minutes ago

        No we are not. 80% of us are against what Israel does in Palestine. But the Goverment and media will tell you otherwise. It's got nothing to do with our history. Konrad Adenauer--first chancellor--once said:

        "The power of the Jews even today, especially in America, should not be underestimated. And therefore I have very deliberately and very consciously — and that was always my opinion — put all my strength, the best I could, to bring about a reconciliation between the Jewish people and the German people."

        It was never about guilt, still is not. Germany has learned nothing from its past.

    • submeta 22 minutes ago

      Totally disappointing. But coming from Germany, no surprise. German intellectualls and media totally ignore the suffering in Palesine. And fully suppress any solidarity with Palestine. By defunding, by cancelling, by smear campaigns (look up how they--overnight--deligitimised Greta Thunberg), by basically not reporting about what's going on there. And if you are state employed, you can basically bet on it losing your job once you show soliarity with Palestine.

      • 9864247888754 4 minutes ago

        Won't someone think of the jihadists...

      • inglor_cz 19 minutes ago

        Europe also has a non-trivial problem with both Islamic terrorism and cultural clash between indigenous Europeans and newly settled Muslims.

        That reduces empathy towards other Muslims quite significantly.

        • submeta 9 minutes ago

          Why did muslims have to leave their countries? The "cultural clash" didn't appear out of thin air. Muslims are in Europe in large numbers because of wars that Europe and the West either started, fueled, or failed to prevent.

          To name a few conflicts incited by the West: The Nakba in 1948 displaced 750,000 Palestinians and created a refugee population that still hasn't been resolved.

          The Soviet-Afghan War displaced 6M+ people.

          The US invaded Iraq in 2003, directly creating the vacuum that spawned ISIS.

          NATO bombed Libya into a failed state.

          The US and Israel spent years destabilizing Syria long before the civil war made it the worst refugee crisis since WWII.

          Europe's closest allies armed all sides of Yemen's proxy war.

          => Every single wave of Muslim refugees into Europe traces back to a conflict the West had its hands in. Blaming Muslims for being here while ignoring why they had to leave is not a serious position.

          And now Iran, a country with 90+m population. And noone stops US/israel. What do you think will cause the next flow of refugees?

          • inglor_cz 7 minutes ago

            Most Muslims in Europe are descendants of Gastarbeiters from the 1960s and 1970s.

            • submeta 2 minutes ago

              That's only partially true and it conveniently skips the last 15 years.

              Yes, Germany's Turkish community largely traces back to Gastarbeiter recruitment in the 1960s/70s.

              But since 2010, Germany alone received 850,000 Muslim migrants, with 86% of refugees coming from war zones like Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan.

              Between 2013 and 2019, nearly 70% of all refugees in Germany were Muslim. Across Europe, large Muslim communities in Sweden, the Netherlands, and elsewhere originate from Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and ex-Yugoslavia, not from guest worker programs.

              The Gastarbeiter framing erases the millions who came because their countries were destroyed by wars the West participated in.

  • shevy-java 2 hours ago

    96 years old. He lived a "full life".