TSMC to make advanced AI semiconductors in Japan

(apnews.com)

65 points | by dev_tty01 2 hours ago ago

25 comments

  • kyboren 14 minutes ago

    Japan and America have now both gotten TSMC to commit to a decent level of domestic advanced-node fabrication.

    Meanwhile Europe only got 40k WSPMS of 12+ nm capacity: https://overclock3d.net/news/software/bringing_advanced_semi...

    • avhception a minute ago

      Germany squandered so much money on nonsense, when they could have simply driven the few kilometers over to Eindhoven and bought an ASML machine for "Silicon Saxony". Sure, it would have taken years and years and serious commitment by the government and private sector to make that a successful move. But instead of putting in the hard work with a clear vision for the future, we mostly spend our time whining and wailing. It's a shame.

  • yanhangyhy 28 minutes ago

    Taiwanese politicians, like those under American-style democracy in many regions, only care about safeguarding their own interests and have no concern for how to protect the interests of the public. Once TSMC’s factories are completed in Japan and the United States and the technology is secured, Taiwan will no longer have any value worth protecting. Of course, the politicians can always take planes and leave in advance.

  • Herring 8 minutes ago

    China has many faults. Invading other countries is not one of them. They haven’t dropped bombs on foreign soil in over 40 years. The Chinese playbook here is to first copy then out-scale and out-innovate until eventually nobody remembers why Taiwan was so important.

  • cynicalsecurity an hour ago

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  • SilverElfin an hour ago

    Isn’t this an erosion of the silicon shield Taiwan is protected by? If they make semiconductors everywhere else then the world has less economic incentive to protect Taiwan from war.

    • david2ndaccount an hour ago

      The world won’t allow a dependence on a single geopolitically threatened entity in the long run, so either they defuse that risk themselves or risk a competitor filling that role. This move is better for TSMC itself.

    • AlexCoventry 31 minutes ago

      Seems likely that Takaichi has given Taiwan a Japanese security guarantee. [1] This may be a quid pro quo.

      [1] https://www.youtube.com/shorts/p-4nFgs9fRE

      • raincole 13 minutes ago

        She didn't give a security guarantee. And even if she wanted she can't.

        Japan can't even sell arms to Taiwan right now. Even starting selling arms would be a huge change, let alone a mutual defensive pact.

        It's extremely hard to change the constitution of Japan. It's the only constitution that has never been revised since WWII. LDP has been pushing this agenda for decades and nothing really happened.

        • Izikiel43 10 minutes ago

          She just won a super majority in their legislature, she can even amend the constitution now.

      • topsykrates 18 minutes ago

        Despite what Takaichi says, if there is a war in Taiwan, Japan can only defend itself and it's interests in its sovereign territory. Japan's pacifist constitution only allows defense, even building an aircraft carrier was very controversial because it's considered to be too offensive. It's highly unlikely that Japan will actively help Taiwan defend itself

        • tommica 12 minutes ago

          Laws and rules can be changed.

          Or defending taiwan can be PR'd into a self-defending message.

        • Izikiel43 9 minutes ago

          > Japan's pacifist constitution only allows defense

          She just won a super majority in the legislature that allows her to change the constitution.

      • mullingitover 15 minutes ago

        My guess: Japan deletes the pacifist promises in its constitution, fully rearms, announces nuclear weapons capability (or does an Israel and ‘refuses to confirm or deny’), and signs a mutual defense pact with Taiwan.

    • stingraycharles an hour ago

      Yes, it is. The unfortunate reality is that western societies care more about TSMC than Taiwan, and they’re hedging their bets this way.

    • tzahifadida 42 minutes ago

      Disagree. Making the world less centralized to TSMC chips makes less incentive to invade at the near future. There is no strategic upside to do it right now. If nothing else, to me it seems china is a strategic mover, and will not sacrifice anything for no strategic value.

      • bschwindHN 38 minutes ago

        China doesn't want to invade Taiwan for TSMC.

      • Waterluvian 33 minutes ago

        That’s a deeply oversimplified understanding of Taiwan and reunification. There’s so much good reading on the topic out there and it’s really worth even just skimming the surface of it.

      • diego_sandoval 22 minutes ago

        If TSMC didn't exist, China would probably have already invaded Taiwan.

    • raincole an hour ago

      Yes.

      But it will happen one way or another. Taiwan's Sovereignty is completely depending on one single country, the US. It's not like that Taiwan can just say no if the US demands more diversified chip production.

    • 3eb7988a1663 an hour ago

      Who would protect Taiwan anymore? I have my doubts that any prior defense agreement would be upheld today.

      • adastra22 an hour ago

        What defense agreements?

    • dd_xplore an hour ago

      But why should the world depend on a single country or entity? Everything should be diversified.

    • porridgeraisin an hour ago

      America doesn't defend taiwan for its semiconductors - it's all american IP anyways. They defend it for the same reason they defend japan and Phillipines - to control the pacific "frontier" these three countries form before guam. Typically against China, but they would do the same nonetheless.

    • trvz an hour ago

      No. To get to Taiwan, Mainland Taiwan first has to go through China, the ocean, and Taiwan. They’ll be fine without anyone else’s help.