Almost every logger in java operates this way. You set your library logging to debug and the end user and configure if they want debug logs from your library or not. They can even set context variables.
Python too. Honestly, any mature logger should allow embedding logs in library code that can be turned on or off by the end user. This was a solved problem 20 years ago. I honestly don't see what's so novel about this today. Or is this speaking to the sorry state of software engineering that plagues the JavaScript world?
That was less my point, and more that "battle-tested" doesn't have to be a cudgel to argue against in-house projects, especially when considering defect rates (the more-general solution is very often slower and buggier to support the features you don't need).
"battle tested" -> MS Windows -> you may discuss? :-D
If there is an inhouse solution available and which is really working, then Id not introduce an externa component here. If you start from zero, then using a pre-existing component should be the path, in my perception. Sure, one can waste time write a logger, but should have e.g. Bezos spent time coding on a logging lib or care about the webshop and use an existing lib for that - but in most cases it does not payoff to do whatever self-implementation-voodoo someone imagines: its just a waste of time. (Esp. since most companies do not take off enough to make such an investment plausible)
I really want something like this to be built into the language or runtime, I don't want to juggle configuration for 4 different libraries. Log4j and tracing seem to be well established without being built in, but it feels too late for js.
Almost every logger in java operates this way. You set your library logging to debug and the end user and configure if they want debug logs from your library or not. They can even set context variables.
Python too. Honestly, any mature logger should allow embedding logs in library code that can be turned on or off by the end user. This was a solved problem 20 years ago. I honestly don't see what's so novel about this today. Or is this speaking to the sorry state of software engineering that plagues the JavaScript world?
I’ve been pretty happy with logtape which is specifically designed to be used in libraries as well as apps: https://logtape.org/manual/library
This feels a bit like a pub/sub pattern; I wonder what it would look like with a full pub/sub implementation.
industry-proven and mature libs like LOG4J or LOG4Net are not sufficient?
You mean this log4j [0] with major vulnerabilities the industry missed for nearly a decade?
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log4Shell
So you don’t use any software that has had a security vulnerability?
What operating system and browser did you use to write your post?
Have you used ever OpenSSL? :-D
The thing is: A bug does not invalidate enterprise adoption - Microsoft ist a good example.
That was less my point, and more that "battle-tested" doesn't have to be a cudgel to argue against in-house projects, especially when considering defect rates (the more-general solution is very often slower and buggier to support the features you don't need).
Maybe we should differ the terms:
"industry proven" -> MS/Windows -> yes
"battle tested" -> MS Windows -> you may discuss? :-D
If there is an inhouse solution available and which is really working, then Id not introduce an externa component here. If you start from zero, then using a pre-existing component should be the path, in my perception. Sure, one can waste time write a logger, but should have e.g. Bezos spent time coding on a logging lib or care about the webshop and use an existing lib for that - but in most cases it does not payoff to do whatever self-implementation-voodoo someone imagines: its just a waste of time. (Esp. since most companies do not take off enough to make such an investment plausible)
At least you learned something
Wasn't OpenTelemetry invented for this purpose?
I really want something like this to be built into the language or runtime, I don't want to juggle configuration for 4 different libraries. Log4j and tracing seem to be well established without being built in, but it feels too late for js.
I'm curious if this is enough https://nodejs.org/api/diagnostics_channel.html
I don't like the js hotel libraries, their docs feel deliberately obtuse
Did you consider log4js?