I am a healthcare provider. Not only during SARS-CoV-2 have we been shat on, abused, misused, tossed into a lethal grinder, driven into suicide, driven into addiction, our personal lives and relationships destroyed. AND we don't get a month that's ours.
There's nothing wrong with having LGBTQIA+ flags in your app to highlight marginalized groups. But to respond to a plea for extension of that list with "fuck you, Nazi Transphobe Sexist Scum" isn't the way to go.
The VAST majority of my LGBTQIA+ friends in health care agree. Your candle won't burn brighter if you blow out other candles. Adding more colors, adding more flags, adding more recognition, does not diminish the recognition of the original marginalized groups. If anything, it creates understanding, community, personhood, and normalizes LGBTQIA+ as not an outlier but one in a scary number of identities and groups that are being mistreated.
The folks advocating for "straight pride" and the like have powerful allies in the Senate, House of Representitives, and the White House. I wish they would stop acting marginalized, it really is a bad look and it's quite infuriating to the people who are actually mistreated because of who they are.
This isn't even about straight pride, save a rational for the manainer to hide behind. It's "Gnome allows customization catered to the LGBT crowd, I'd like different customizatoin that's less in-your-face" - which seems pretty reasonable.
If anything, Gnome allowing customization in the first place is what I'm surprised by, not so much that they won't allow more (though the given reason is... questionable... at best)
Let's stop for a second here and think, what this issue is even about. Theming a progress bar. A progress bar. The interface element that's not present at all times while software is running.
Bazaar does not much at the moment beyond what Gnome Software or KDE's Discover is capable of. The features are nearly same: install/uninstall, search, flathub repo select and basic filtering options (free software, flathub only, maintained only). Plus this progress bar skin.
This whole fuss feels like it's on the same levels as that GIMP fork from few years ago which just took the code and replaced every occurrence of name because it's being considered by some people as an insult. Glimpse "project" is dead and honestly, I expect that this supposed game-changing "app store" here will be dead as well soon. Because people behind focus on a trivial issue instead of making their software actually standing off and rich on features.
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If they really consider this progress bar customization crucial for Bazaar to function then there should be a way to provide own texture from file, and colors from standard picker that would form either a gradient or bars. This is a really simple problem to solve - without shouting, calling names and pretending of being attacked.
Judging from the PR, the program expects you to choose a theme from a hard-coded list of existing options, and adding a new one requires changes to C code. So I'm not even sure it should be called customization.
My experience has been that even among the people invoking a concept of "straight pride", they aren't actually even claiming to be "oppressed" except satirically. The point is to stand on a (particular interpretation of) principle with regards to equal treatment.
As for the rationale, in my experience this sort of rhetoric is completely typical for Jordan Petridis (@alatiera).
I mean, regardless of the language, it's a PR to add visual, not functional, changes to a loading bar. I'd definitely call that customization; moreover, I'd call that exactly the kind of customization Gnome doesn't usually allow.
> this sort of rhetoric is completely typical for Jordan Petridis (@alatiera)
That's too bad. Gnome was the best (or at least my preferred) "DE" for my Pinephone, and Linux Mobile in general. Having to work in the vicinity of this kind of argument sounds demoralizing at best.
List of current theme choices, presented without comment
What a mess. It would be exhausting having to interact consistently with people like that.
Beware of the racist under construction progress bar.
I am a healthcare provider. Not only during SARS-CoV-2 have we been shat on, abused, misused, tossed into a lethal grinder, driven into suicide, driven into addiction, our personal lives and relationships destroyed. AND we don't get a month that's ours.
There's nothing wrong with having LGBTQIA+ flags in your app to highlight marginalized groups. But to respond to a plea for extension of that list with "fuck you, Nazi Transphobe Sexist Scum" isn't the way to go.
The VAST majority of my LGBTQIA+ friends in health care agree. Your candle won't burn brighter if you blow out other candles. Adding more colors, adding more flags, adding more recognition, does not diminish the recognition of the original marginalized groups. If anything, it creates understanding, community, personhood, and normalizes LGBTQIA+ as not an outlier but one in a scary number of identities and groups that are being mistreated.
See, you assume this is made for queer people. It's not. Most queer people are just people - as in people first, queer second.
This is for people who are queer first, people second. This is for the loud minority of a minority.
The folks advocating for "straight pride" and the like have powerful allies in the Senate, House of Representitives, and the White House. I wish they would stop acting marginalized, it really is a bad look and it's quite infuriating to the people who are actually mistreated because of who they are.
This isn't even about straight pride, save a rational for the manainer to hide behind. It's "Gnome allows customization catered to the LGBT crowd, I'd like different customizatoin that's less in-your-face" - which seems pretty reasonable.
If anything, Gnome allowing customization in the first place is what I'm surprised by, not so much that they won't allow more (though the given reason is... questionable... at best)
Let's stop for a second here and think, what this issue is even about. Theming a progress bar. A progress bar. The interface element that's not present at all times while software is running.
Bazaar does not much at the moment beyond what Gnome Software or KDE's Discover is capable of. The features are nearly same: install/uninstall, search, flathub repo select and basic filtering options (free software, flathub only, maintained only). Plus this progress bar skin.
This whole fuss feels like it's on the same levels as that GIMP fork from few years ago which just took the code and replaced every occurrence of name because it's being considered by some people as an insult. Glimpse "project" is dead and honestly, I expect that this supposed game-changing "app store" here will be dead as well soon. Because people behind focus on a trivial issue instead of making their software actually standing off and rich on features.
---
If they really consider this progress bar customization crucial for Bazaar to function then there should be a way to provide own texture from file, and colors from standard picker that would form either a gradient or bars. This is a really simple problem to solve - without shouting, calling names and pretending of being attacked.
Judging from the PR, the program expects you to choose a theme from a hard-coded list of existing options, and adding a new one requires changes to C code. So I'm not even sure it should be called customization.
My experience has been that even among the people invoking a concept of "straight pride", they aren't actually even claiming to be "oppressed" except satirically. The point is to stand on a (particular interpretation of) principle with regards to equal treatment.
As for the rationale, in my experience this sort of rhetoric is completely typical for Jordan Petridis (@alatiera).
I mean, regardless of the language, it's a PR to add visual, not functional, changes to a loading bar. I'd definitely call that customization; moreover, I'd call that exactly the kind of customization Gnome doesn't usually allow.
> this sort of rhetoric is completely typical for Jordan Petridis (@alatiera)
That's too bad. Gnome was the best (or at least my preferred) "DE" for my Pinephone, and Linux Mobile in general. Having to work in the vicinity of this kind of argument sounds demoralizing at best.