Hiring the Joker

(quarter--mile.com)

19 points | by surprisetalk 9 days ago ago

15 comments

  • zeroq 3 hours ago

    As someone who has been described as "mister Wolf" (Pulp Fiction reference) several times I'd say it's hard to market yourself and getting hired as a joker.

    If you're THE guy, like when Google hired Guido, then it's super cool story. But for normal folks when you look around for new job it's really hard to get past "oh we need either X or Y".

    And when you finally get hired you susceptible to corporate politics. I personally had a few bad stints with higher ups about having low count of commits because as a team lead I would prefer to grow a team member by doing most of the work and passing the task to someone else to drive it past the finishing line.

    EDIT: the irony is that small companies that can cherry pick candidates don't need jokers, and big companies who would benefit the most from having such people are deeply trenched in siloes and scripted hiring.

    • user_7832 an hour ago

      Yeah, I'm (unfortunately) seeing a similar issue even in my case. I've studied engineering in my bachelor's with a niche (but very technically helpful) masters from a top EU uni. I suspect folks are just looking for someone who "fits the profile", because I've cleared every interview I've managed to get through to. But short of getting a foot in the door to get to that first interview, it honestly seems futile.

      Self promotion, if anyone (especially from The Netherlands) is looking for a systems engineer with a "T" profile with multiple T's - mechanical/systems engineering, economics, please feel free to reach out via my profile email ID and I'll be happy to prove myself on any technical challenge.

  • delis-thumbs-7e 2 hours ago

    Wow, this was a waste of time. Want to hire good people? Don’t read trash like this.

  • valadaptive an hour ago

    For a much more substantive article on a similar topic, see Dan Luu's blog post which draws an analogy to talent scouting in baseball: https://danluu.com/talent/

  • dzink 3 hours ago

    The easiest way to miss the joker is to trust in confidence. Dunning Krueger is alive and well and the worst professionals and founders run in and pose with bravado. Real passion goes into the details and with persistance. Real passionate people have initiative to do more and will be happy to tell you about it. The key is to have someone in the room who knows what they are talking about and can separate the BS from the truth.

  • zkmon an hour ago

    Employee populations at large organizations are the same as what you get if you would hire people off the street without any interview or assessment. Just like how physical system would reach an equilibrium relative to the surrounding context. Companies can't keep average profile of their employees any better than the random person on the street. Interviews are only ceremonial.

  • yellow_lead 2 hours ago

    Let me save you a click. It's about how to hire a great employee like NBA player Nikola Jokic (nicknamed “The Joker”).

    The trick?

    > The best answer is probably just to try harder. Like, 10x harder(internal link). Figure out who did the work(internal link). Consider running work trials.

    • baxtr 16 minutes ago

      Trying harder is not a strategy, which leads me to believe that guy knows nothing about the topic.

    • 0928374082 2 hours ago

      that article seems to assume that just because you hired someone, they'll stay with you for decades?

      • swiftcoder 31 minutes ago

        They probably will if you pay them equitably - my grandfather stayed with US Steel pretty much his whole career, but back then they payed him enough to send 4 kids to college on one salary.

  • alyxya 3 hours ago

    People are bad at things that don't have quick and clear feedback. It's hard to improve at something if you just reinforce your own wrong ideas.

  • gostsamo 3 hours ago

    Linkedin, how did you end up here?

    • stavros an hour ago

      Yeah, wow, I thought I was going to read an interesting article about basketball stats, instead I got "here's what that taught me about b2b hiring".

    • wiseowise an hour ago

      The dog’s name? It was Joker.

  • wiseowise an hour ago

    > Much of what I’ve written above can also be said for hiring.

    No, it’s not, lol.

    I swear, some of these “authors” have their head so up their ass, they can practically see the light again.

    Pay good comp and have a good product is the magic formula you’re looking for.