Benchmarks are alright but as an embedded engineer I first select a performance segment and then actually prioritize the hardware abilities and engineering support from the SoC manufacturer.
Before getting into benchmarks I would actually look which hardware capabilities a specific SoC supports first (eDP, HDMI or LVDS, USB ports, i2c, GPIO pins etc). Then I would check whether the manufacturer actually maintains mainline Linux kernel drivers or keeps an up-to-date downstream kernel. I look at their frequency for updates. For media systems having HW acceleration is crucial. Most ARM vendors do a crappy job of providing good open source drivers for this.
Similarly I go and check their Yocto BSPs. If I don't like their organization, that's going to affect my final decision. If it is a power-sensitive project, then the special modes and extra driver support for various sleeping modes come into play.
(Most of the time Intel just wins with those criteria because ARM ecosystem is a mess of proprietary blobs. However there are manufacturers like NXP and MediaTek who do release passable drivers and when power consumption is important they get selected or if the product is very price-sensitvie)
This website looks alright maybe for hobbyists for pure CPU loads with very well cooled systems. I don't find it very useful without the actual engineering details, adding those would massively benefit the website.
Hey! So I was quite surprised to see my site posted on here so soon after hitting the "go live" button, and thanks for your comment.
I wrote a blog post about why I made the site at https://bret.dk/introducing-sbc-compare/ if anyone's interested, but to TL;DR it, I didn't set out to create a site like this, it was a side quest after creating the automation and database to support my reviews, which do indeed focus on the hobbyist trying to explore Raspberry Pi SBCs and their many alternatives.
I have full specifications and hardware capabilities hidden behind a feature flag at the moment as I'm working my way through adding all of that data (currently at 80 SBCs in the database, and I'm only adding those I own and have run tests on) so there should be something similar to what you're asking for soon. Thanks again!
Feature request: if the cells in a row are all identical, either exclude the row, de-emphasize it, or merge the cells so it's visually apparent that they're all the same.
Example: Raspberry Pi 4 vs Raspberry Pi 5 (https://sbc.compare/9-raspberry-pi-4-2gb/14-raspberry-pi-5-4...). Architecture is ARM. But it's repeated for each column, which makes the reader have to look carefully at each cell to see whether it really is different.
This is a pet peeve, particularly when a company's "compare versions" page lists dozens of identical dimensions across the product line, making finding the differences into a dreary where's-Waldo game.
Performance is cool, but if you're already building a giant database of SBC information, I/O, peripherals and features seem like a much more important thing to add.
Just in the Orange Pi lineup, there are so many different models and so little structured information about them, that the best source still seems to be the google sheet that I created in 2017 and has been continously updated by various community members over the years [0]. And that's all one manufacturer!
Things like which type and how many video outs, USB ports, if it has onboard flash, DSI/CSI, pinout compatibility... are so much more important and so much harder to get than performance numbers, which usually boil down to the SoC plus a small margin for thermal and power design of the board.
If this site were open source (and time + knowledge of stack permitting), I'd take a stab at adding a way to include that info as well, maybe even through crowd-sourcing.
I hear you! Like I mention to others in the thread, this functionality is already there, I just need to finish populating all of the data. To get over a mental block I had to decide whether I'd continue trying to add each feature before an initial launch (and be there forever) or give myself a shot of motivation by getting an initial performance comparison feature set out there and iterate as I go along.
As soon as I have all of that data in there (I think I'm at around 30-40% so far, the initial batch of testing has been a slog, data entry for this took a back seat) I'll be enabling that option and it will all be there to view on comparison pages, and search for to help find/compare on a deeper level.
I completely get it, it's great that you launched it quickly, I've gotten stuck on that before too, where I just kept working on a thing to make it "ready for launch" until I ran out of steam and never ended up launching it.
It's a really cool site, I'll defenitely be keeping an eye on it and if you ever go the crowdsourcing route, hopefully also contribute.
And I'm sorry for being yet another lazy HN commenter who didn't read far enough down the thread before opening their mouth (keyboard?) :)
I'm happy to see this exist; I've considered putting together something similar using the data I compile for https://sbc-reviews.jeffgeerling.com/ - but it's surprisingly complex.
One of the hardest things is settling on specific tests, and ensuring tests are run in an extremely standardized environment. I do my best, but a test lab I am not.
It's good to have a quick way to get relative comparisons, even if imperfect.
Raspberry Pi products can be found in a lot of industrial/professional setups, especially things like their compute module range(s) that can be dropped into off-the-shelf, or custom carrier boards. Others can be a bit more hit and miss, though Libre Computer are up there with great software support, and will have their own compute modules available soon.
I guess I'll reply here and cover both of the comments :D There are currently 80 SBCs in the database, and they're all boards that I've obtained over the last few years. It's a side project/hobby and buying many more boards would be a very expensive affair :( New boards will be a mixture of those that interest me, and those that vendors (very kindly) send to be included on the website. Sadly, as much as I'd love to, I can't do a Pokémon and catch them all, so there will be some missing!
I do accept them from vendors directly (and it has no bearing on how I run the tests) but I've not taken any from individuals before. I'm not quite sure how I'd do that logistically, but if there's something interesting then I'm open to discussing it!
I'm currently in talks with a few of the vendors to start filling the database with missing boards from their ranges so we should have more data available in the coming weeks. There should be 2 BeagleBoard (Eco Green and PocketBeagle 2) arriving tomorrow/Tuesday to expand their range on the site!
As for donations from individuals, I have seen folks who do this kind of thing get a P.O. Box or use a mailbox service provider/remailer[0] to maintain their opsec, though that is an added expense. It would likely be easier to accept donations earmarked for equipment purchases, but that requires a bit of trust and reputation, but you have to begin where you are, which is pretty good so far, as you are doing your own tests on your own equipment in your possession. I’m sure many would be willing and able to donate funds and/or hardware, if the option were presented to them, but I don’t know if that is worth the added efforts involved in engaging with the community.
Directly engaging with vendors for donations is somewhat fraught with concerns of its own, as ideally you are doing blind purchases so that vendors can’t give you known-good units, but rather are giving you units that the vendor doesn’t already know are going to be subject to enhanced scrutiny.
Maybe get in touch with the OpenWRT folks to see if you can test the OpenWRT One? I believe they’re using a modified BananaPi design.
> OpenWrt One is based on the MediaTek Filogic 820 SoC and has WiFi 6, dual-band, 3×3/2×2, 1x 2.5Gbit WAN, 1x 1Gbit LAN, 1GB DDR4 RAM, 256 MiB NAND, 16 MiB NOR (for recovery), M.2 SSD, USB-C Serial console and USB 2.0. Power Over Ethernet (POE): an IEEE 802.3af/at compliant device can power the device via the RJ-45 2.5 Gbps WAN connector.
> OpenWrt One uses Mediatek’s MT7981B SoC with a dual-arm Cortex-a53 core at 1.3 GHz, 1 GB DDR4 RAM and 256 MiB SPI NAND storage. It also integrates 16 MiB of additional protected storage as a system backup, dual storage hardware to ensure that the onboard system is unbrickable, and finally integrated M.2. 2230/2242 NVMe PCIe 2 X1 ports can be used to add external storage. And with a battery holder for an internal clock, OpenWrt One offers a USB 2.0 Type-A and a mikroBUS expansion port to provide more interfaces to a host of technical possibilities
> OpenWrt One is the first board design with OpenWrt opensource communtity.and designed in collaboration with Banana Pi that will also handle manufacturing and distribution of the router board. The OpenWrt One/AP-24.XY router should provide a source of income for the project, for example, to cover the cost of hosting and OpenWrt conferences, with Banana Pi selling the board through their distribution network, and for every device sold, donating to the Software Freedom Conservancy (SDC) with the funds earmarked for OpenWrt.
[0] Techlore on YouTube interviewed the operator of such a service in the video linked below. I won’t name the company as this is not a review or endorsement (pun intended), as I have not used their service, nor can I speak to their operations, but the interview is a decent explainer of the service itself from the point of view of an operator of such a service, and other competitors in that field are also named.
I do have a ko-fi available in the footer of the website, and if someone wants their donation to go towards a specific piece of hardware then I'll most certainly do what I can to honour that, or return it if I can't.
On the samples from vendors front, yeah, that's definitely a concern, though in the years I've been working with manufacturers and had samples from them, I'm fairly confident that no "golden sample" binning is going on as I've had quite a few shockers, hah! Not to say that it couldn't/wouldn't happen, I wouldn't want to introduce that doubt. Perhaps, like my review website, I should add a quick note/indicator of whether a board was obtained directly from a vendor, or if it was purchased.
> I do have a ko-fi available in the footer of the website, and if someone wants their donation to go towards a specific piece of hardware then I'll most certainly do what I can to honour that, or return it if I can't.
That’s pretty good of you to mention, as I didn’t notice the footer when I visited to see if you already had tested the OpenWRT One before posting my suggestion to test it. Perhaps you could mention that you would make a best effort to test hardware suggested by donors, if you haven’t already done so on the site? I approve of you asking for donations openly, as your time and efforts are worth something to you and to visitors, and if you communicate that it’s a two-way street, with some incentives to donors in that they can help suggest what you spend their donations on, I think that your transparency and good faith are more likely to be rewarded with more and larger donations that a simple “buy me a coffee” pitch might otherwise attract.
> Perhaps, like my review website, I should add a quick note/indicator of whether a board was obtained directly from a vendor, or if it was purchased.
I think such a disclaimer/disclosure would assuage (m)any concerns most folks would have on that front!
You seem to have a good grasp on what you’re doing here. Do you share/open source your testing methodology and/or code run to derive your data?
I've noticed a couple of issues with the search and filtering this evening, I'll have to look at it tomorrow. In the meantime, https://sbc.compare/arm (there's also /risc-v and /x86) may help a little here!
to the author: thanks for making this. Can you tell us about how long it took you to develop this site, and what technology stack you use for it? How did you make it?
Benchmarks are alright but as an embedded engineer I first select a performance segment and then actually prioritize the hardware abilities and engineering support from the SoC manufacturer.
Before getting into benchmarks I would actually look which hardware capabilities a specific SoC supports first (eDP, HDMI or LVDS, USB ports, i2c, GPIO pins etc). Then I would check whether the manufacturer actually maintains mainline Linux kernel drivers or keeps an up-to-date downstream kernel. I look at their frequency for updates. For media systems having HW acceleration is crucial. Most ARM vendors do a crappy job of providing good open source drivers for this.
Similarly I go and check their Yocto BSPs. If I don't like their organization, that's going to affect my final decision. If it is a power-sensitive project, then the special modes and extra driver support for various sleeping modes come into play.
(Most of the time Intel just wins with those criteria because ARM ecosystem is a mess of proprietary blobs. However there are manufacturers like NXP and MediaTek who do release passable drivers and when power consumption is important they get selected or if the product is very price-sensitvie)
This website looks alright maybe for hobbyists for pure CPU loads with very well cooled systems. I don't find it very useful without the actual engineering details, adding those would massively benefit the website.
Hey! So I was quite surprised to see my site posted on here so soon after hitting the "go live" button, and thanks for your comment.
I wrote a blog post about why I made the site at https://bret.dk/introducing-sbc-compare/ if anyone's interested, but to TL;DR it, I didn't set out to create a site like this, it was a side quest after creating the automation and database to support my reviews, which do indeed focus on the hobbyist trying to explore Raspberry Pi SBCs and their many alternatives.
I have full specifications and hardware capabilities hidden behind a feature flag at the moment as I'm working my way through adding all of that data (currently at 80 SBCs in the database, and I'm only adding those I own and have run tests on) so there should be something similar to what you're asking for soon. Thanks again!
Feature request: if the cells in a row are all identical, either exclude the row, de-emphasize it, or merge the cells so it's visually apparent that they're all the same.
Example: Raspberry Pi 4 vs Raspberry Pi 5 (https://sbc.compare/9-raspberry-pi-4-2gb/14-raspberry-pi-5-4...). Architecture is ARM. But it's repeated for each column, which makes the reader have to look carefully at each cell to see whether it really is different.
This is a pet peeve, particularly when a company's "compare versions" page lists dozens of identical dimensions across the product line, making finding the differences into a dreary where's-Waldo game.
Good point! Added to my to-do list :)
I noticed Luckfox Pico Mini isn't included there. Runs Linux. Few bucks on AliExpress: https://www.luckfox.com/Luckfox-Pico-Mini-A
Performance is cool, but if you're already building a giant database of SBC information, I/O, peripherals and features seem like a much more important thing to add.
Just in the Orange Pi lineup, there are so many different models and so little structured information about them, that the best source still seems to be the google sheet that I created in 2017 and has been continously updated by various community members over the years [0]. And that's all one manufacturer!
Things like which type and how many video outs, USB ports, if it has onboard flash, DSI/CSI, pinout compatibility... are so much more important and so much harder to get than performance numbers, which usually boil down to the SoC plus a small margin for thermal and power design of the board.
If this site were open source (and time + knowledge of stack permitting), I'd take a stab at adding a way to include that info as well, maybe even through crowd-sourcing.
[0] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14QDXdMR1a1kc0gpRpTzI...
I hear you! Like I mention to others in the thread, this functionality is already there, I just need to finish populating all of the data. To get over a mental block I had to decide whether I'd continue trying to add each feature before an initial launch (and be there forever) or give myself a shot of motivation by getting an initial performance comparison feature set out there and iterate as I go along.
As soon as I have all of that data in there (I think I'm at around 30-40% so far, the initial batch of testing has been a slog, data entry for this took a back seat) I'll be enabling that option and it will all be there to view on comparison pages, and search for to help find/compare on a deeper level.
I completely get it, it's great that you launched it quickly, I've gotten stuck on that before too, where I just kept working on a thing to make it "ready for launch" until I ran out of steam and never ended up launching it.
It's a really cool site, I'll defenitely be keeping an eye on it and if you ever go the crowdsourcing route, hopefully also contribute.
And I'm sorry for being yet another lazy HN commenter who didn't read far enough down the thread before opening their mouth (keyboard?) :)
Idle power and sleep power are important for embedded applications.
I'm happy to see this exist; I've considered putting together something similar using the data I compile for https://sbc-reviews.jeffgeerling.com/ - but it's surprisingly complex.
One of the hardest things is settling on specific tests, and ensuring tests are run in an extremely standardized environment. I do my best, but a test lab I am not.
It's good to have a quick way to get relative comparisons, even if imperfect.
And until you decide to execute on that plan, I'll enjoy this little bit of attention :D Thanks again for the support!
Similar (but without comparisons): https://hackerboards.com/
Uuh hackerboards has comparisons, for example https://hackerboards.com/compare/raspberry-pi-foundation-ras...
Question. Are the RPi, Orange Pi, etc. suitable for use in professional hardware, or are these considered hobbyist products?
Raspberry Pi products can be found in a lot of industrial/professional setups, especially things like their compute module range(s) that can be dropped into off-the-shelf, or custom carrier boards. Others can be a bit more hit and miss, though Libre Computer are up there with great software support, and will have their own compute modules available soon.
Love when actually useful sites appear. Fits the same category of sites like the one LTTLabs is working on
No searching by PCIe support it seems :'(
(Or I'm too stupid to use it.)
btw: https://geizhals.eu/?cat=mbarm - but also no search by PCIe there
I have full specification capability hiding in the background and once I've filled out all of the data, you'll be able to do just this!
None of it really matters until there's a competitor that has software support 1/10th as good as Raspberry Pi.
TI's "Beagle" ecosystem has software support at least 1/10th as good as RPI, maybe even 2/10ths.
Check out Libre Computer if you haven't already!
if LattePanda for $178 is on the list might as well throw in the Quieter 4C:
https://www.amazon.com/MeLE-Mini-Quieter-4C-Astrophotography...
very impressive N100 device. i run EndeavourOS with KDE/plasma on mine. i swapped out to a faster and more efficient single sided 4TB nvme.
it's fanless and idles at ~4.5W according to the USB-C cable's lcd power readout.
The quite renowned Odroid Hx are also missing.
I guess I'll reply here and cover both of the comments :D There are currently 80 SBCs in the database, and they're all boards that I've obtained over the last few years. It's a side project/hobby and buying many more boards would be a very expensive affair :( New boards will be a mixture of those that interest me, and those that vendors (very kindly) send to be included on the website. Sadly, as much as I'd love to, I can't do a Pokémon and catch them all, so there will be some missing!
Do you accept donations of hardware to be tested and added to the site?
I do accept them from vendors directly (and it has no bearing on how I run the tests) but I've not taken any from individuals before. I'm not quite sure how I'd do that logistically, but if there's something interesting then I'm open to discussing it!
I'm currently in talks with a few of the vendors to start filling the database with missing boards from their ranges so we should have more data available in the coming weeks. There should be 2 BeagleBoard (Eco Green and PocketBeagle 2) arriving tomorrow/Tuesday to expand their range on the site!
As for donations from individuals, I have seen folks who do this kind of thing get a P.O. Box or use a mailbox service provider/remailer[0] to maintain their opsec, though that is an added expense. It would likely be easier to accept donations earmarked for equipment purchases, but that requires a bit of trust and reputation, but you have to begin where you are, which is pretty good so far, as you are doing your own tests on your own equipment in your possession. I’m sure many would be willing and able to donate funds and/or hardware, if the option were presented to them, but I don’t know if that is worth the added efforts involved in engaging with the community.
Directly engaging with vendors for donations is somewhat fraught with concerns of its own, as ideally you are doing blind purchases so that vendors can’t give you known-good units, but rather are giving you units that the vendor doesn’t already know are going to be subject to enhanced scrutiny.
Maybe get in touch with the OpenWRT folks to see if you can test the OpenWRT One? I believe they’re using a modified BananaPi design.
https://openwrt.org/toh/openwrt/one
> OpenWrt One is based on the MediaTek Filogic 820 SoC and has WiFi 6, dual-band, 3×3/2×2, 1x 2.5Gbit WAN, 1x 1Gbit LAN, 1GB DDR4 RAM, 256 MiB NAND, 16 MiB NOR (for recovery), M.2 SSD, USB-C Serial console and USB 2.0. Power Over Ethernet (POE): an IEEE 802.3af/at compliant device can power the device via the RJ-45 2.5 Gbps WAN connector.
https://docs.banana-pi.org/en/OpenWRT-One/BananaPi_OpenWRT-O...
> OpenWrt One uses Mediatek’s MT7981B SoC with a dual-arm Cortex-a53 core at 1.3 GHz, 1 GB DDR4 RAM and 256 MiB SPI NAND storage. It also integrates 16 MiB of additional protected storage as a system backup, dual storage hardware to ensure that the onboard system is unbrickable, and finally integrated M.2. 2230/2242 NVMe PCIe 2 X1 ports can be used to add external storage. And with a battery holder for an internal clock, OpenWrt One offers a USB 2.0 Type-A and a mikroBUS expansion port to provide more interfaces to a host of technical possibilities
> OpenWrt One is the first board design with OpenWrt opensource communtity.and designed in collaboration with Banana Pi that will also handle manufacturing and distribution of the router board. The OpenWrt One/AP-24.XY router should provide a source of income for the project, for example, to cover the cost of hosting and OpenWrt conferences, with Banana Pi selling the board through their distribution network, and for every device sold, donating to the Software Freedom Conservancy (SDC) with the funds earmarked for OpenWrt.
[0] Techlore on YouTube interviewed the operator of such a service in the video linked below. I won’t name the company as this is not a review or endorsement (pun intended), as I have not used their service, nor can I speak to their operations, but the interview is a decent explainer of the service itself from the point of view of an operator of such a service, and other competitors in that field are also named.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=idSBvjaaFSk
I do have a ko-fi available in the footer of the website, and if someone wants their donation to go towards a specific piece of hardware then I'll most certainly do what I can to honour that, or return it if I can't.
On the samples from vendors front, yeah, that's definitely a concern, though in the years I've been working with manufacturers and had samples from them, I'm fairly confident that no "golden sample" binning is going on as I've had quite a few shockers, hah! Not to say that it couldn't/wouldn't happen, I wouldn't want to introduce that doubt. Perhaps, like my review website, I should add a quick note/indicator of whether a board was obtained directly from a vendor, or if it was purchased.
> I do have a ko-fi available in the footer of the website, and if someone wants their donation to go towards a specific piece of hardware then I'll most certainly do what I can to honour that, or return it if I can't.
That’s pretty good of you to mention, as I didn’t notice the footer when I visited to see if you already had tested the OpenWRT One before posting my suggestion to test it. Perhaps you could mention that you would make a best effort to test hardware suggested by donors, if you haven’t already done so on the site? I approve of you asking for donations openly, as your time and efforts are worth something to you and to visitors, and if you communicate that it’s a two-way street, with some incentives to donors in that they can help suggest what you spend their donations on, I think that your transparency and good faith are more likely to be rewarded with more and larger donations that a simple “buy me a coffee” pitch might otherwise attract.
> Perhaps, like my review website, I should add a quick note/indicator of whether a board was obtained directly from a vendor, or if it was purchased.
I think such a disclaimer/disclosure would assuage (m)any concerns most folks would have on that front!
You seem to have a good grasp on what you’re doing here. Do you share/open source your testing methodology and/or code run to derive your data?
Clicking on “ARM” only seems to show Raspberry Pi’s and not the other ARM boards listed on the site.
I've noticed a couple of issues with the search and filtering this evening, I'll have to look at it tomorrow. In the meantime, https://sbc.compare/arm (there's also /risc-v and /x86) may help a little here!
That’s a nice list, thanks!
Looks cool but no microcontroller boards yet. I didn't get any results for "RP2350" for example.
Those aren't SBCs
what is the difference?
Did the up in price on RPis ended up being permanent?
to the author: thanks for making this. Can you tell us about how long it took you to develop this site, and what technology stack you use for it? How did you make it?