Edit: Actually if you are looking for more things to explore the kagi github has some interesting other stuff like the smallweb page and the opml file of rss smallweb feeds:
I have tried to use it but it's a bit cumbersome to use for me. I don't want to manually browse the categories I just want to see everything (that I need) on the landing page. It also makes wildly inefficient to use on a desktop/laptop that has more screen real estate than a phone. Until then I will continue to use https://brutalist.report on my computer to catch up on news.
Personally I like the newsminimalist rss feed for simple ai evaluated and summarized news. I don't have much experience with the site itself but it's likely also worth a check. The dev is an active part of hn.
I use Kagi. I like the search a lot. This is completely irrelevant to what I want from them. At least with Orion browser it’s associated to the general use case of privacy. I fail to see the angle here?
Same. Paying user here, and it seems to me they’re trying to be Google at a small scale. Get a half-decent search system up, then work on a browser, then the whole AI nonsense which I do not care about, now news.
Guys, I just want you to focus on search. You might feel it is good enough, but we have basically reached 2010 Google. Let’s improve upon that. Build your own index. Combat the annoying LLM spam that is increasingly polluting the home page.
I am truly afraid the next venture for Kagi will be something like “ethical ads” and then we know how that ends.
As a long time Kagi user, I absolutely love this. I have tried getting into the RSS game for a long time but it never seemed to stick. This seems like a good middleground because it also follows the Kagi philosophy of simplicity with a wide range of diversity of sources.
As far as I can tell, it's a really nice aggregator of articles with a nice presentation which will hopefully allow me to slowly stop going to news sites multiple times per day. Also, it's a nice way of escaping enshittification in the same way Kagi as a search engine (by being paid) and other Kagi projects (like Small Web) are doing it.
The LLMs do get it wrong once in a while though in their summaries. Mostly OK in my experience with Kagi Kite (this is an app version of kite.kagi.com)
But they have other countries categories by default in the language of the news themselves with possibility to show that translated in a language of our choice.
So this helps.
I wish they had a scope per source for reliability and political party association.
It has a “Business” section, but it defaults to US and doesn’t have any customization (in Settings->Categories) to choose business/economy/financial news from other countries or regions. I wanted to provide feedback from the “Give Feedback” option in the Settings screen, but that opens up the Kagi feedback forum and requires creating an account. I’m not that invested in anything Kagi to go through this amount of trouble.
I would prefer in-app feedback forms to be simple forms that collect information right within the app without having an account, logging in, etc.
When Facebook and Google take views and traffic away from news sources through summaries and amp and the rest, it’s bad. But when Kagi does it it’s now good?
The only people mad at Google/LLM summaries not leading to click-throughs are the website operators themselves. They're great for the user that doesn't have to go to a garbage ad riddled page.
Kagi's "summarize page" and "ask questions about this page" are my go to over clicking results. One gets me
what I want instantly, one gets me a 20 paragraph history of wing nuts.
This "kite" thing is genuinely the nicest news experience I've had in a long time. I hope they keep investing in it. It's finally news built for the user and no one else.
> They're great for the user that doesn't have to go to a garbage ad riddled page.
The websites are garbage ad riddled because the operators have to pay for the site and the writers and such, and the vast majority of people are unwilling (or unable) to pay even $1 for viewing a site.
Even YouTube premium, lots of folks prefer their ad blocker over paying to remove the ads cause the adblocker is free.
This seems about as relevant to their core search product as building a clothing import/export/logistics business[1].
I wish they’d focus entirely on search, because that is where innovation is sorely needed. I used Kagi for a little while and could see it becoming huge if they added more user-friendly features.
I'm assuming that is the app version of the kagi news page found here:
https://kite.kagi.com
https://github.com/kagisearch/kite-public
The feeds for kite seem to be here:
https://github.com/kagisearch/kite-public/blob/main/kite_fee...
Edit: Actually if you are looking for more things to explore the kagi github has some interesting other stuff like the smallweb page and the opml file of rss smallweb feeds:
https://github.com/kagisearch/smallweb
https://kagi.com/smallweb/opml
I have tried to use it but it's a bit cumbersome to use for me. I don't want to manually browse the categories I just want to see everything (that I need) on the landing page. It also makes wildly inefficient to use on a desktop/laptop that has more screen real estate than a phone. Until then I will continue to use https://brutalist.report on my computer to catch up on news.
Personally I like the newsminimalist rss feed for simple ai evaluated and summarized news. I don't have much experience with the site itself but it's likely also worth a check. The dev is an active part of hn.
https://www.newsminimalist.com/
The dev and the launch post from 2023:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35795388
https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=t0bia_s
Brutalist Report looks like the service I was looking for for a long time. Thank you!
I use Kagi. I like the search a lot. This is completely irrelevant to what I want from them. At least with Orion browser it’s associated to the general use case of privacy. I fail to see the angle here?
Same. Paying user here, and it seems to me they’re trying to be Google at a small scale. Get a half-decent search system up, then work on a browser, then the whole AI nonsense which I do not care about, now news.
Guys, I just want you to focus on search. You might feel it is good enough, but we have basically reached 2010 Google. Let’s improve upon that. Build your own index. Combat the annoying LLM spam that is increasingly polluting the home page.
I am truly afraid the next venture for Kagi will be something like “ethical ads” and then we know how that ends.
Using AI in a way that doesn’t ruin their main products.
As a long time Kagi user, I absolutely love this. I have tried getting into the RSS game for a long time but it never seemed to stick. This seems like a good middleground because it also follows the Kagi philosophy of simplicity with a wide range of diversity of sources.
As far as I can tell, it's a really nice aggregator of articles with a nice presentation which will hopefully allow me to slowly stop going to news sites multiple times per day. Also, it's a nice way of escaping enshittification in the same way Kagi as a search engine (by being paid) and other Kagi projects (like Small Web) are doing it.
OP posted a link to the German app (de). Here's a link to the US app (en):
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/kagi-news/id6748314243
Don’t think it’s country dependent. Both the us and de link end up some place for me and I’m in the uk
Timely, enjoying it so far as a first user.
I don’t use any social media and have attempted to get my news in the most basic and unbiased form possible.
After finally acknowledging I could never keep up with my RSS reader, I started using Particle a month ago, but I still feel overwhelmed.
Kagi News feels like a sweet spot at the moment, time will tell but this is as much context and unbiased aggregation as I need/want.
Only feedback is allowing custom categories? Right now is enough to get me functional, but I’d love my more niche topics to be available.
I absolutely love this. It’s really well done. I like how they give you “timeline of event”
The LLMs do get it wrong once in a while though in their summaries. Mostly OK in my experience with Kagi Kite (this is an app version of kite.kagi.com)
I tried but not like it:
- category doesn’t make sense. World are all USA news, business are mostly big tech, tech are most big corp
- the way it digests the news and chop it down to timeline/question/summary feels overly dumb down.
The world category is clearly US news, indeed.
But they have other countries categories by default in the language of the news themselves with possibility to show that translated in a language of our choice.
So this helps.
I wish they had a scope per source for reliability and political party association.
It has a “Business” section, but it defaults to US and doesn’t have any customization (in Settings->Categories) to choose business/economy/financial news from other countries or regions. I wanted to provide feedback from the “Give Feedback” option in the Settings screen, but that opens up the Kagi feedback forum and requires creating an account. I’m not that invested in anything Kagi to go through this amount of trouble.
I would prefer in-app feedback forms to be simple forms that collect information right within the app without having an account, logging in, etc.
When Facebook and Google take views and traffic away from news sources through summaries and amp and the rest, it’s bad. But when Kagi does it it’s now good?
I mean… at that point you gotta finger point at every single LLM that can fetch news.
The only people mad at Google/LLM summaries not leading to click-throughs are the website operators themselves. They're great for the user that doesn't have to go to a garbage ad riddled page.
Kagi's "summarize page" and "ask questions about this page" are my go to over clicking results. One gets me what I want instantly, one gets me a 20 paragraph history of wing nuts.
This "kite" thing is genuinely the nicest news experience I've had in a long time. I hope they keep investing in it. It's finally news built for the user and no one else.
> They're great for the user that doesn't have to go to a garbage ad riddled page.
The websites are garbage ad riddled because the operators have to pay for the site and the writers and such, and the vast majority of people are unwilling (or unable) to pay even $1 for viewing a site.
Even YouTube premium, lots of folks prefer their ad blocker over paying to remove the ads cause the adblocker is free.
This is awesome! Downloaded it and played with it and as a non Kagi user, I'm impressed!
But please please let me select text!
I wanted to look up a word, so I double taped it to select it, then I realized non of the text in the articles is selectable
An RSS reader with pre-configured feeds? Neat, anything to get people into RSS is a win
They are trying to do a lot of things, get into a lot of things. By the way, this installs on a mac and then keeps loading infinitely when launched.
This is just a news aggregator though right? Using it doesn't get any money to the journalists?
This seems about as relevant to their core search product as building a clothing import/export/logistics business[1].
I wish they’d focus entirely on search, because that is where innovation is sorely needed. I used Kagi for a little while and could see it becoming huge if they added more user-friendly features.
[1] https://blog.kagi.com/celebrating-20k