Beautiful and clean website (loads well without JS and fonts); not sure why some people are reacting negatively to some poetry... I swear, HN crowd can be often worse than Mean Girls.
About Artanis itself... It looks really cool! Scheme is such a nice language to code and hack with; but, how safe would it be to expose it directly?
I see they are dogfooding on the Guix packages website, so... I'm guessing it's pretty well tested.
> Scheme is such a nice language to code and hack with; but, how safe would it be to expose it directly?
If you have really good Scheme programmers, who know their system, and built it competently, it's probably safer to expose that than your average conventional system.
(Example: A system in Scheme was the first to get a particular certification for sensitive data hosting on cloud servers. Partly because the very small team that developed it knew the stack inside and out, and could do whatever needed to be done, in a smart way.)
(Meanwhile, say, a consulting firm-led team who got a contract for a comparably complex system, and billed for 10 or 100 times the seat-warmers, with huge and ridiculously complex stacks they didn't understand... would just flounder, focus on appearances in sprint tasks, and churn out things implemented in poor ways, and with a large number of vulnerabilities, and probably take a lot longer before they could deliver a system that would survive the first day of use.)
In my experience this sentiment could be applied to anything. It's more about getting paid for "getting thing done" versus "working on thing".
I have particular personal experience with an app that could be done within several months with handful of people but was developed over several years by team of 50. I was flabbergasted at first but you need to understand politics first.
And was a gag in the ancient Dick van Dyke show, where Dick's character gets a painting signed by `Artanis', and thinks it worthless, until someone spells it backward.
But the following might be easier syntax extension in Scheme, in which each variable URL path element can be mapped for the programmer directly to a Scheme variable binding in the closure:
The poem actually loaded, but then flipped to that. Thank god Yeats' work is protected by clever JavaScript from people in third-world countries who dare try to read it.
This looks neat (I like scheme), but if you really want people to use your framework, the landing page should not start with cryptic nonsense. Is it supposed to be a poem? I don't even know. Consider me filtered.
Beautiful and clean website (loads well without JS and fonts); not sure why some people are reacting negatively to some poetry... I swear, HN crowd can be often worse than Mean Girls.
About Artanis itself... It looks really cool! Scheme is such a nice language to code and hack with; but, how safe would it be to expose it directly?
I see they are dogfooding on the Guix packages website, so... I'm guessing it's pretty well tested.
> not sure why some people are reacting negatively to some poetry...
It's a weird time for art. A lot of people's immediate reaction to genuine expression these days is "cringe".
I suppose that's always been the case to some degree, but it feels more prevalent now with internet-level attention span and broadcasting breadth.
> Scheme is such a nice language to code and hack with; but, how safe would it be to expose it directly?
If you have really good Scheme programmers, who know their system, and built it competently, it's probably safer to expose that than your average conventional system.
(Example: A system in Scheme was the first to get a particular certification for sensitive data hosting on cloud servers. Partly because the very small team that developed it knew the stack inside and out, and could do whatever needed to be done, in a smart way.)
(Meanwhile, say, a consulting firm-led team who got a contract for a comparably complex system, and billed for 10 or 100 times the seat-warmers, with huge and ridiculously complex stacks they didn't understand... would just flounder, focus on appearances in sprint tasks, and churn out things implemented in poor ways, and with a large number of vulnerabilities, and probably take a lot longer before they could deliver a system that would survive the first day of use.)
In my experience this sentiment could be applied to anything. It's more about getting paid for "getting thing done" versus "working on thing".
I have particular personal experience with an app that could be done within several months with handful of people but was developed over several years by team of 50. I was flabbergasted at first but you need to understand politics first.
> A system in Scheme was the first to get a particular certification for sensitive data hosting on cloud servers.
What system was this?
- The text is unusually large.
- Irrelevant noise at the beginning of the landing page.
- "What is it" is under the FAQ section, which has a heading that is the same size as the parent heading.
- It consumes all horizontal space.
The very first text on the page tells you what it is: “ GNU Artanis - A fast web application framework for Scheme”
I can finally read a website without squinting despite having glasses on already. Yay!
As a newly old, I really appreciate websites with large text.
I've used this in production once.
Mostly able to because Guile's web server is standard, and if you need to bypass the framework, you can rather easily.
It's more than fast enough for most people's needs. Flexible, because Scheme, and Artanis' design will be familiar to all the Flask/etc devs.
Is this named after the Protoss Executor Artanis?
> Has a Sinatra-like style route, hence the name "Artanis" ;-)
"Artanis" backwards is "Sinatra" which happens to be the name of a popular Ruby gem for web dev.
And was a gag in the ancient Dick van Dyke show, where Dick's character gets a painting signed by `Artanis', and thinks it worthless, until someone spells it backward.
Projects using it is 404.
the link at the bottom is wrong. the one at the top works: https://artanis.dev/projects.html
Just a comment on APIs in Scheme...
If you're defining a Web server route handler, it's reasonable to do it as you would in most languages, like this package's example:
But the following might be easier syntax extension in Scheme, in which each variable URL path element can be mapped for the programmer directly to a Scheme variable binding in the closure: (Of course, you'd also have a function to sanitize/escape `who` before injecting it into the HTML.)> Sailing to /dev/null
> That is no future for mediocre coder.
> The hacker is one another's arm. Codes in the editors.
> Those dying generations - at their song.
aye ok settle down, let's just see the code please
Relax, it's just a play on https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43291/sailing-to-byza...
The code is a mouse wheel scroll down.
> Sorry, that poem is currently unavailable.
The poem actually loaded, but then flipped to that. Thank god Yeats' work is protected by clever JavaScript from people in third-world countries who dare try to read it.
This looks neat (I like scheme), but if you really want people to use your framework, the landing page should not start with cryptic nonsense. Is it supposed to be a poem? I don't even know. Consider me filtered.
the page also says
“ GNU Artanis was Certificated as Awesome Project at 2013 Lisp in summer projects “
so i guess this is not news?
> so i guess this is not news?
Does it matter? Despite the name of the site, not everything that is posted/discussed here needs to be "news". Far from it, in fact.
It looks like the latest 1.3.0 release just happened a few days ago, but that isn't clear from (or even stated on) the linked web page.