56 comments

  • haberman 8 hours ago

    I love the concept -- I've often wished that lean languages like Lua had more support for static typing, especially given the potential performance benefits.

    I also love the focus on performance. I'm curious if you've considered using a tail call design for the interpreter. I've found this to be the best way to get good code out of the compiler: https://blog.reverberate.org/2021/04/21/musttail-efficient-i... Unfortunately it's not portable to MSVC.

    In that article I show that this technique was able to match Mike Pall's hand-coded assembly for one example he gave of LuaJIT's interpreter. Mike later linked to the article as a new take for how to optimize interpreters: https://github.com/LuaJIT/LuaJIT/issues/716#issuecomment-854...

    Python 3.14 also added support for this style of interpreter dispatch and got a modest performance win from it: https://blog.reverberate.org/2025/02/10/tail-call-updates.ht...

    • debugnik 6 hours ago

      You may be interested in Luau, which is the gradually-typed dialect of Lua maintained by Roblox. The game Alan Wake 2 also used it for level scripting.

    • beariish 8 hours ago

      I did experiment with a few different dispatch methods before settling on the one in Bolt now, though not with tailcalls specifically. The approach I landed on was largely chosen cause it in my testing competes with computed goto solutions while also compiling on msvc, but I'm absolutely open to try other things out.

      • UncleEntity 2 hours ago

        From my research into the subject the easiest way to implement it would be a 'musttail' macro which falls back to a trampoline for compilers which don't support it. The problem then becomes having the function call overhead (assuming the compiler can't figure out what's going on and do tail-call optimizations anyway) on the unsupported systems with each and every opcode which is probably slower than just a Big Old Switch -- which, apparently, modern compilers are pretty good at optimizing.

        The VM I've been poking at is I/O bound so the difference (probably) isn't even measurable over the overhead of reading a file. I went with a pure 'musttail' implementation but didn't do any sort of performance measurements so who knows if it's better or not.

    • summerwant 7 hours ago

      I see lua, do you know terralang?

  • conaclos 4 hours ago

    I was quite excited by the description and then I noted that Bolt heavily relies on double floating point numbers. I am quite disappointed because this doesn't allow me to use Bolt in my context: embedded systems where floating point numbers are rarely supported... So I realized that I misinterpreted `embedded`.

    • devmor 2 hours ago

      Same here! It's very cool but my ideal use case would be on a limited ISA architecture like ESP32.

  • perlgeek 7 hours ago

    I like 99% of this, and the thing I don't like is in the very first line of the example:

    > import abs, epsilon from math

    IMHO it's wrong to put the imported symbols first, because the same symbol could come from two different libraries and mean different things. So the library name is pretty important, and putting it last (and burying it after a potentially long list of imported symbols) just feels wrong.

    I get that it has a more natural-language vibe this way, but put there's a really good reason that most of the languages I know that put the package/module name first:

        import packageName.member; // java
        from package import symbol; # python
        use Module 'symbol'; # perl
        
    With Typescript being the notable exception:

        import { pi as π } from "./maths.js";t
    • Tokumei-no-hito 6 minutes ago

      can't the compiler process it in reverse?

    • jasonjmcghee 6 hours ago

      Also autocomplete.

      Though I almost never manually type out imports manually anymore.

    • bbkane 6 hours ago

      I really like the way Elm does it, from "wide" (package) to "narrow" (symbol). I suspect this also helps language server implementation.

      See https://guide.elm-lang.org/webapps/modules (scroll down to "Using Modules") for examples

    • beariish 7 hours ago

      Do you think approaching the way typescript does it for Bolt is a reasonable compromise here? Bolt already supports full-module renames like

          import math as not_math
      
      So supporting something along the lines of

          import abs as absolute, sqrt as square_root from math
      
      Would be farily simple to accomplish.
      • pepa65 4 hours ago

        Or: `import math with abs as absolute, sqrt as square_root`

    • vhodges 5 hours ago

      According to the Programming Guide, it supports aliases for imports

      "In case of conflict or convenience, you can give modules an alias as well."

  • MobiusHorizons 9 hours ago

    FYI "the embedded scene" is likely to be interpreted as "embedded systems" rather than "embedded interpreters" even by people who know about embedded interpreters, especially since all the languages you give as an example have been attempted for use on those targets (micropython, lua, and even typescript)

    • RossBencina an hour ago

      True. I misread it as being for embedded, especially with the term "real-time" in the mix. Then later when there was no ARM or RISC-V support I became very confused.

    • beariish 9 hours ago

      That's a good point, thank you. I've made a small edit to clarify.

  • cookiengineer 8 hours ago

    If functions don't have a return signature, does that mean everything must be satisfied in the compilation step?

    What about memory management/ownership? This would imply that everything must be copy by value in each function callsite, right? How to use references/pointers? Are they supported?

    I like the matchers which look similar to Rust, but I dislike the error handling because it is neither implicit, and neither explicit, and therefore will be painful to debug in larger codebases I'd imagine.

    Do you know about Koka? I don't like its syntax choices much but I think that an effect based error type system might integrate nicely with your design choices, especially with matchers as consumers.

    [1] https://koka-lang.github.io/koka/doc/index.html

    • driggs 6 hours ago

      > If functions don't have a return signature, does that mean everything must be satisfied in the compilation step?

      Functions do have a return signature.

      It looks like the author chose to show off the feature of return type inference in the short example README code, rather than the explicit case.

      https://github.com/Beariish/bolt/blob/main/doc/Bolt%20Progra...

    • zygentoma 7 hours ago

      Oh, not OP, but I love Koka. I should play around with it again thanks for reminding me!

  • slmjkdbtl an hour ago

    Wow a fast scripting language with normal syntax and type checking.. Really hope this can take off and be a valid Lua alternative.

  • JonChesterfield 4 hours ago

    Outperforming languages in its class is doing some heavy lifting here. Missing comparison to wasm interpreter, any of the java or dot net interpreters, the MLs, any lisps etc.

    Compile to register bytecode is legitimate as a strategy but its not the fast one, as the author knows, so probably shouldn't be branding the language as fast at this point.

    It might be a fast language. Hard to tell from a superficial look, depends on how the type system, alias analysis and concurrency models interact. It's not a fast implementation at this point.

    > This means functions do not need to dynamically capture their imports, avoiding closure invocations, and are able to linearly address them in the import array instead of making some kind of environment lookup.

    That is suspect, could be burning function identifiers into the bytecode directly, not emitting lookups in a table.

    Likewise the switch on the end of each instruction is probably the wrong thing, take a look at a function per op, forced tailcalls, with the interpreter state in the argument registers of the machine function call. There's some good notes on that from some wasm interpreters, and some context on why from luajit if you go looking.

    • phire 3 hours ago

      The class is "embeddable interpreted scripting language", which is not quite the same thing as just an interpreter.

      Embedded interpreters are that designed to be embedded into a c/c++ program (often a game) as a scripting language. They typically have as few dependencies as possible, try to be lightweight and focus on making it really easy to interopt between contexts.

      The comparison hits many of the major languages for this usecase. Though it probably should have included mono's interpreter mode, even if nobody really uses it since mono got AoT

  • themonsu 9 hours ago

    Looks cool, but please can we stop naming things ”bolt”

    • IAmLiterallyAB 6 hours ago

      Yeah this is the third programming language named Bolt that I'm aware of

      • CyberDildonics 4 hours ago

        Not to mention the facebook after compilation optimizer called bolt.

  • je42 2 hours ago

    Nice language! I am wondering how error handling / exceptions works in bolt?

    Quickly scanned the programming guide - but wasn't able to find it. Did i miss a section?

  • freeopinion 7 hours ago

    I see your benchmarks compare against other interpreted languages "in its class".

    We read here a couple days ago about Q which is compiled. Bolt claims to "plow through code at over 500kloc/thread/second". Q claims to compile in milliseconds--so fast that you can treat it like a script.

    Bolt and Q are both newborns. Perhaps you could include each other in your benchmarks to give each other a little publicity.

  • tayistay 5 hours ago

    Congrats! I think this could be quite useful for me.

    I noticed that `let`-declared variables seem to be mutable. I'd strongly recommend against that. Add a `var` keyword.

  • capyba 2 hours ago

    In terms of performance, how does it compare to compiled languages like the C it’s written in?

  • Fraterkes 7 hours ago

    Really cool! Roughly how much memory does it take to include it in an engine? Also I'm really interested in the process of creating these really fast scripting languages, have you written anything about how you wrote Bolt?

    • beariish 7 hours ago

      Bolt's memory usage in most cases hovers right around Lua 5.4/Luau in my own testing, but maybe I should include a few memory benchmarks to highlight that more. It does notably have a higher memory overhead during compilation than other languages in this class though.

      As for writeups, I'm working on putting out some material about the creation of Bolt and my learnings now that it's out there.

  • memophysic 5 hours ago

    Looks great, I'm especially a fan of the more C and Python syntax. Lua works, but its syntax has always been bugging me.

    On the feature side, is there any support for breakpoints or a debugging server, and if not is it planned?

    • beariish 5 hours ago

      There's nothing like that right now, but it's absolutely something I want to explore in the future.

  • astatine 5 hours ago

    This looks awesome. Would you have any data on the performance of large number of invocations of small scripts? I am wondering at startup overhead for every script run. which the 500kloc/s may not capture well.

    • beariish 5 hours ago

      It depends on your exact usecase, I'm not 100% sure what you're asking. There is some overhead for invoking the compiler on a per-script basis. If you're parsing once but running a script many times, Bolt provides some tools (like reusing a preallocated thread object) to ammortize that cost

      • astatine 4 hours ago

        We have a server which uses Lua based script plugins. They are usually a few hundred to a few thousand lines and get invoked via APIs. I was trying to figure out how Bolt will behave in such a context and whether we could replace the Lua based plugin engine with this.

  • merksoftworks 5 hours ago

    This is really cool but it's not portable to MacOs or aarm64 yet, and that kind of portability unfortunately is what appeals to me about an embeddable scripting language.

  • kiririn 8 hours ago

    Nice, gives me Pawn vibes

    (https://www.compuphase.com/pawn/pawn.htm)

  • Forgret 7 hours ago

    It looks cool, I wish you luck in developing the language. I liked your language and I hope it becomes popular someday.

  • eulgro 9 hours ago

    The question I ask myself when I see this kind of project is: how long are you willing to maintain it for?

    My main concern about a new language is not performance, syntax, or features, but long term support and community.

    • brabel 8 hours ago

      The only way to have any idea of how long a language might be still around is to look at how long it's been already around. From this perspective , you can only use older languages. The benchmarks show that Lua (and the Luau and Lua+JIT variants) is actually very competitive, so I'd stick with one of those.

    • 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 9 hours ago

      In the end, weight is a kind of strength, and popularity is a kind of quality. It looks promising but you can't expect long-term support until there's more contributors and users

      At this point it is too early to know. Even JavaScript took like 20 years to catch on

  • grodriguez100 9 hours ago

    Sounds very good, and I can see many use cases in embedded systems. But that probably requires 32-bit arm support. Is that planned ?

    • beariish 9 hours ago

      As of right now no - my primary target when developing this was realtime and games in particular since that's what I know best, but if there's a real target in embedded that's certainly something that could be explored.

  • acron0 9 hours ago

    If I was still writing games I would be alllllll over this

  • Vandash 8 hours ago

    game dev for 15+ years here, love the first example on Github this is compiled right? cannot replace lua?

    • IshKebab 8 hours ago

      It's compiled in the same way that Lua is compiled. So yes, it can replace Lua.

    • beariish 8 hours ago

      Bolt is not compiled ahead of time, it's bytecode interpreted just like Lua

  • k__ 6 hours ago

    Awesome.

    Is it deterministic like Lua?

  • thrance 9 hours ago

    Function return type inference is funny but I don't think it's that great of a feature. It makes it harder for a library's consumer to know how to properly use a function, and it also makes it harder for the maintainer to not break backwards compatibility inadvertently. Anyway, I'm all for experimenting.

    • beariish 9 hours ago

      There's nothing stopping a library author from explicitly annotating return types wherever a stable interface is important, the idea is more for smaller functions or callbacks to make use of this. Perhaps I'll make the examples clearer to reflect the intention.

      • flakes an hour ago

        Perhaps it makes more sense to say that exported function interfaces be explicit. That forces you to document the api and more carefully consider changes.

    • jitl 5 hours ago

      It’s great in TypeScript. In TypeScript your source can have inferred types returned, and then use a build step to produce resolved typings files (.d.ts) for distribution that have the fully specified type.

      • thrance 4 hours ago

        Ah, true, now that you mention it. I feel like it's the best of both worlds, you get type inference and it gets documented automatically.