Blog post author here! Always happy to see people looking at and reading about these paintings. Happy to answer any questions or job offers people here may have!
Hey Parker, congratulations on your NYT daily crossword publications! I solve the Daily every day and have been impressed to see your work there a number of times now.
Oh wow, it's been a decade! I remember this, and was excited to see these released. Nice work!
This actually inspired me to go out and start (slowly) cataloging mostly historic 100+ yr old landscapes that were locked behind mostly non-US pay-to-access (cough British museums cough), and write a flurry of emails to institutions encouraging uploading high res versions. I'm contemplating a project to put historic paintings "on the map", depicting their geographically represented locations (when applicable), giving a window into the past. Maybe I should circle back on this effort to get more paintings released...
You can have fun with 'em since they're public domain (:
Note 1: The metadata, such as title, author, etc. seem to be missing. If anyone knows of a collection with all that included, let me know (it's not in the EXIF either, I spot-checked).
Use of the images in the U.S. Department of Agriculture Pomological
Watercolor Collection is not restricted, but a statement of attribution is
required. Please use the following attribution statement: "U.S. Department
of Agriculture Pomological Watercolor Collection. Rare and Special
Collections, National Agricultural Library, Beltsville, MD 20705"
I'm also noticing there is no explicit license on the official page. If it's public domain, attribution is not required. If it is not public domain, they should clarify the license (pretty sure this is indeed public domain).
For another data point, this catalog.data.gov site[1] lists the license as "us-pd" (ie public domain in the USA). But then yeah, like you said the attribution demand is invalid.
I wonder how the USDA can demand anything regarding images created well before the copyright cutoff of 1929. I strongly suspect that's boilerplate text with no actual force.
Oh definitely no force behind it, but just annoying to see. These kinds of issues don't exactly block usage, but can plant a lot of confusion or hesitation for potential users.
I wish agencies proactively embraced "please go use this awesome stuff" mentality vs gatekeeping by default.
I was scrolling the page looking for links so I could see them all, until i realized the links were just slightly in bold, rather than a different color and underlined. Would be good to highlight the links a little more on your site.
good shout, I think some recent typography changes made the bolding more subtle on mobile. I've pushed an update underlining them and it should be live momentarily!
Became friends with Parker during my time at the Recurse Center. He's even more obsessed (in a good way) and funny in person! Glad to see his post on the top of HN.
> " This was my first ever project in Python, and in many ways, the start of my life as a programmer. The domino effect here is a little mind-boggling for me."
I can certainly relate to this. I started scripting for very obtuse reasons, and quickly started seeing things everywhere which I could apply a little code to and improve my life.
Blog post author here! Always happy to see people looking at and reading about these paintings. Happy to answer any questions or job offers people here may have!
Hey Parker, congratulations on your NYT daily crossword publications! I solve the Daily every day and have been impressed to see your work there a number of times now.
Thanks for your work. I used one of the pomo pictures in a project a few years back.
incredible, impactful, and authentic read!
lol thank you other Parker Higgins, always a pleasure to run into you here
Echoing the same thanks! I have used as well personally as technique references and in several projects directly.
Oh wow, it's been a decade! I remember this, and was excited to see these released. Nice work!
This actually inspired me to go out and start (slowly) cataloging mostly historic 100+ yr old landscapes that were locked behind mostly non-US pay-to-access (cough British museums cough), and write a flurry of emails to institutions encouraging uploading high res versions. I'm contemplating a project to put historic paintings "on the map", depicting their geographically represented locations (when applicable), giving a window into the past. Maybe I should circle back on this effort to get more paintings released...
I would absolutely love to see that project come to fruition.
If anybody just wants to download the hi-res images, Internet Archive is your friend: https://archive.org/details/usda-pomological-watercolor-coll...
You can have fun with 'em since they're public domain (:
Note 1: The metadata, such as title, author, etc. seem to be missing. If anyone knows of a collection with all that included, let me know (it's not in the EXIF either, I spot-checked).
EDIT: aha! Here is metadata, which you can correlate to the image files: https://github.com/Wumms/pomological
Note 2: I saw this in the MARC catalog record:
I'm also noticing there is no explicit license on the official page. If it's public domain, attribution is not required. If it is not public domain, they should clarify the license (pretty sure this is indeed public domain).
Ambiguity like this is way too common...
Yeah, agreed it's weird.
For another data point, this catalog.data.gov site[1] lists the license as "us-pd" (ie public domain in the USA). But then yeah, like you said the attribution demand is invalid.
[1] https://catalog.data.gov/dataset/u-s-department-of-agricultu...
I wonder how the USDA can demand anything regarding images created well before the copyright cutoff of 1929. I strongly suspect that's boilerplate text with no actual force.
Oh definitely no force behind it, but just annoying to see. These kinds of issues don't exactly block usage, but can plant a lot of confusion or hesitation for potential users. I wish agencies proactively embraced "please go use this awesome stuff" mentality vs gatekeeping by default.
Thanks to your collection, I had an absolute blast going down a silly rabbit hole of compression.
https://www.winstoncooke.com/blog/rotation-based-compression...
I was scrolling the page looking for links so I could see them all, until i realized the links were just slightly in bold, rather than a different color and underlined. Would be good to highlight the links a little more on your site.
Awesome work either way!
good shout, I think some recent typography changes made the bolding more subtle on mobile. I've pushed an update underlining them and it should be live momentarily!
Ahh yes, much better
I think I'm going to print a few of these for my office. Thanks thisisparker
Thank you Parker Higgins, these are quite lovely.
Became friends with Parker during my time at the Recurse Center. He's even more obsessed (in a good way) and funny in person! Glad to see his post on the top of HN.
What on earth is Pornological about these?
Bad keming joke? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomology
> " This was my first ever project in Python, and in many ways, the start of my life as a programmer. The domino effect here is a little mind-boggling for me."
I can certainly relate to this. I started scripting for very obtuse reasons, and quickly started seeing things everywhere which I could apply a little code to and improve my life.
There's a related story from the USDA about these: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44287019
Nice apples.
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poMological nor poRNological