What UI first distinguished radio buttons from checkboxes with circles/squares?

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57 points | by azeemba 3 days ago ago

38 comments

  • pavlov 4 hours ago

    My hunch is that the square vs. circle convention is derived from paper forms.

    The checkbox has been a common design element in forms for a long time. But people can of course tick off all boxes.

    So when form designers needed to emphasize that you should only select one option, they often used a group of non-boxed options together with instruction copy that read “Circle one” (or similar).

    The name “radio button” of course comes from physical buttons, but those were often square. So I think the specific circular shape is actually derived from circling an option on paper.

    • true_religion 3 hours ago

      I had once thought the circle shape came from scantron style examination papers, where you can only fill one circle at a time. It’s similar even if the origins are probably different.

  • aidos 7 hours ago

    More crucially, when did we lose the ability to click and hold on the first checkbox and then drag down the list to set them all the same way!

    > 1982: Dragging through a field of check-boxes flips the state of the first and assigns the new state to all other boxes dragged through.

    • earthnail 5 hours ago

      On iOS you can swipe with two fingers to select multiple rows. One of the more hidden features. Mentioning it to show that we didn’t lose it everywhere.

    • jfengel 3 hours ago

      I don't know when I would use that. If that's something a user would do often I probably want some other design component.

      In part it's because I don't like check boxes. They don't have great feedback about what's going to happen. If I designed a UI where someone is likely to check a lot of boxes, I would feel I had done something very wrong.

      Sometimes it's unavoidable and so the framework might as well allow it. And as a user, designers often do things I wouldn't have. But I can say I don't miss having that feature.

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      • mewpmewp2 2 hours ago

        Maybe when you have e.g. a list of items/pictures/datasets you want to select to perform some action with, e.g. download, export, or perform some bulk job on?

        • jfengel an hour ago

          With pictures I'd rather use select features: draw a box, shift click, etc.

          File choosers usually do something like that, rather than a separate check box component. You select the icon rather than a check box near the icon, so it's slightly clearer what it is you want operated on.

          Ideally you'd find other ways to narrow the list. A long list of items is a UX disaster waiting to happen. The more you can categorize your data beforehand, the better off you are. If you can make it all-or-nothing, you're less likely to mis-click.

    • exiguus 6 hours ago

      What comes close are multi-select patterns. Often drop-downs where you can use the ALT-Key or dragging to select one or more items. Basically the same as in your beloved file-explorer and the list view. To archive a select all, usually there is a "select all" checkbox.

    • yokljo 3 hours ago

      Blender does this. It's sick.

  • exiguus 6 hours ago

    When I see UI radio buttons, I often think about old radios, dishwashers, or washing machines, where you had two or three buttons aligned, and when you press one, the other(s) pop up (if they are already down).

    • smallstepforman 5 hours ago

      I actually had a radio with circular radio buttons, which would pop back when you selected another option. It had switches instead of check boxes.

      The one that drives me crazy is slider based checkboxes. I never know which side is on/off. Bad UI convention.

      And speaking of checkboxes, I want an actual tick mark (checkmark), not a X cross. Its called checkbox, not Xbox or crossbox, it has to be a checkmark. Also, its a square, not a box. Disaster.

      • Tmpod 3 hours ago

        You mean those toggles that are very common on settings pages (i.e. in Android/iOS)? If they are colored, they are very easy to parse, imo, but it never hurts to actually write "on"/"off".

        Those toggles actually mimic real hardware that used to be fairly common. I find those should be preferred over checkboxes for anything that takes immediate effect. If they don't, and you're collecting a bunch of options at once, in a form, then use checkboxes.

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        • hedora 3 hours ago

          Unlabeled slider switches were never particularly common.

          For instance, my old stereo has push button toggles, where “in” means “on” (this convention was common because of how those switches work), and three way levers with labels on two of the three positions (there’s no space to label the middle position, and it means “default”.

    • nkrisc 5 hours ago

      That is why they are called "radio buttons".

    • Waterluvian 5 hours ago

      That’s precisely the metaphor. A radio as in the radio station presets in your car.

      • adolph 29 minutes ago

        iirc, radio buttons were an early form of bookmark in that one would rotate the tuner whose position was annotated by a scale marker, and when the radio was tuned as desired, one would pull the radio button, then push it in to set that button to that tuning. I have a memory of the tactile sensation in my fingers.

    • discostrings 3 hours ago

      Push button light switches that had two circular buttons with this behavior also used to be extremely common.

    • oneeyedpigeon 4 hours ago

      Our first TV was like this too - before remote controls.

    • fainpul 4 hours ago

      And those buttons needed to be round, because you could turn them to tune the radio or TV to a station. Pressing the button would then "snap" the tuner back to the preset position of the pressed button.

      • myself248 4 hours ago

        No they didn't. My first car had a Blaupunkt radio with buttons that worked like that, but they were rectangular.

        • hedora 3 hours ago

          I think turning the tuning knob typically popped out the preset button, and holding the button down while turning the tuning knob changed the preset. I think this could be done with a loop of string (to control where the dial arrow was) and few springs and catches (to pull the string into position when the button was pressed).

          I can’t imagine how the mechanism would work if each preset knob was a tuning knob.

  • teddyh 7 hours ago

    ISTR a discussion in Tog on Interface on the design choices available, with visual examples. This seems to indicate that the choice was made there.

  • qingcharles 2 hours ago

    iOS has a history of using round checkboxes to muddy the waters:

    https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/116712/apples-round-c...

    (they're not the only offenders in this monstrosity)

  • vinceguidry 33 minutes ago

    I would think actual radios.

  • block_dagger 7 hours ago

    What UI uses circles with checkmarks in them as “OK” buttons? iOS 26. Facepalm.

  • 1oooqooq 5 hours ago

    damn. stack overflow is gone for me. constantly logging me out (6 digits imaginary points) and showing me cloudflare annoyance almost every request. i guess i will just ask AIs trained on their content in the end.

    • Tmpod 3 hours ago

      Yeah, it has been prompting me with CF CAPTCHAS almost every time lately. Didn't use to do that, a few months ago.

      • hedora 3 hours ago

        Ouch. Can confirm.

        Some paid services I’ve used for years have started aggressively automatically logging me out while I’m driving (eg when using the CarPlay app, which doesn’t include a login screen).

        I really wonder what the PM’s are thinking.

        • rrr_oh_man 2 hours ago

          > I really wonder what the PM’s are thinking.

          Increase number of app downloads