50 years of orange disaster... Because of imperialism and american exceptionalism. By exceptionalism, I mean an idea that USA is a morally superior country for historical, ideological, and other reasons.
No - most Asian nations did not recognize the South Vietnam govt propped up by Western powers. India for example supported Vietnamese independence from the French and recognized the PRG - Provisional Revolutionary Government which was the resistance movement in South Vietnam.
At any rate, even the US vetoed Vietnamese membership to the UN in 1975 - after losing the War.
Only because Jimmy Carter got elected in 1976 on the basis of a campaign pledge to forgive all draft evaders and beat Ford. Until he was elected, Vietnam was three times blocked from admission by United States vetoes in the Security Council.
Some would argue that American intervention in Vietnam was a continuation of French colonialism and the Domino Theory was a tenuous justification for American imperialism.
> The internationally-recognized government of South Vietnam asked the US for military intervention.
Nope. South Vietnam only existed because of the US. It had no popular support and it was basically a state out of whoever was left of those who collaborated with the French. The first head of state was Bao Dai, a guy who was the head puppet under France, Vichy France, Japan, France again and then US.
South Vietnam was kept together by personal interest, anti-communism and American support.
America is now just a bunch of lobbyist, billionaires and lawyers in a trenchcoat.
We lock up our minorities, deport those in need and separate children from their families for profit, America is an evil nation and history will see it and it's citizens that way. It's amazing that it seems a majority of people (in the US) fail to see the the US for what it is, an imperial nation run on greed and an army of pure evil lawyers hellbent on total economic control. Lawyers and billionaires destroyed this country 20 years ago, now the American machine is just running on fumes and hate. History will see America as a nation and people of pure greed and evil.
America is a mixed bag to be sure. But to say America is “pure greed” and “evil” is just plain ridiculous. As in, absolutely nothing good came out of America?
Thank you. People's rational thought seems to be dissappearing. Whatever America has become today does not mean that America in the past had no redeming qualities.
People's rational thought seems to be dissappearing. Whatever America has become today does not mean that America in the past had no redeming qualities, that is not how time works, it doesn't go backwards :(
And also American decision makers being incapable of not misunderstanding Communism and various Communist parties/regimes. They made the mistake in Korea and then repeated it shortly after in Vietnam, of just limping everyone together - they're red, they're part of the same evil empire and work as one! How such dumbness ever made it to the White House and Pentagon is beyond me (on the other hand, the Pentagon also thought Japanese would make bad fighter pilots due to the shape of their eyes before WW2 which was just 20 years earlier, so is it really surprising?).
The Vietminh were fought by the Americans because of the dumb Domino Theory and very dumb idea that Vietnam will become a Chinese and Soviet puppet. Neither of those things were really true or even realistic.
It isn't new news that the effects of agent orange are largely unsubstantiated. It became political and so now we need to believe it, but it's largely unscientific.
More than that, it's clear that reparations are owed to the affected Vietnamese for the obvious chemical warfare campaign. That it's even a doubt, is basically immoral and anti-humanity.
After battling my bougainvillea this afternoon, I’m about to resort to chemical warfare. Why is that plant popular, and why isn’t there an “Bougainvillea haters” Facebook group?
50 years of orange disaster... Because of imperialism and american exceptionalism. By exceptionalism, I mean an idea that USA is a morally superior country for historical, ideological, and other reasons.
It's sad that the chemical warfare treaty was only signed in 1993 [0].
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_Weapons_Convention
How is it imperialism? The internationally-recognized government of South Vietnam asked the US for military intervention.
The US signed peace accords in 1973 and removed all troops. North Vietnam broke the accords and invaded South Vietnam in 1975.
> The internationally-recognized government of South Vietnam
Err.. a puppet state created by France and only recognized by the West. It was never part of the UN and its membership was explicitly denied.
> It was never part of the UN and its membership was explicitly denied.
Solely due to a soviet veto. Most countries recognized it anyway.
> Most countries recognized it anyway.
No - most Asian nations did not recognize the South Vietnam govt propped up by Western powers. India for example supported Vietnamese independence from the French and recognized the PRG - Provisional Revolutionary Government which was the resistance movement in South Vietnam.
At any rate, even the US vetoed Vietnamese membership to the UN in 1975 - after losing the War.
> No - most Asian nations did not recognize the South Vietnam govt
I would not say "most". Thailand, Laos, SK, Philippines, Singapore did.
>US vetoed Vietnamese membership to the UN in 1975 - after losing the War.
Because the war was still ongoing, between North and South at that time. They merged in 1976 and US voted in favor of membership in 1977.
> US voted in favor of membership in 1977.
Only because Jimmy Carter got elected in 1976 on the basis of a campaign pledge to forgive all draft evaders and beat Ford. Until he was elected, Vietnam was three times blocked from admission by United States vetoes in the Security Council.
Some would argue that American intervention in Vietnam was a continuation of French colonialism and the Domino Theory was a tenuous justification for American imperialism.
But yet, no imperialism occurred?
It did, you just must have a funny definition of imperialism, or don't actually know what happened
post ww2 america does not do imperialism in the traditional sense but cultural empiralism
Oh invading countries under false pretenses and bombing thousands of children is "cultural"?
the "domino theory" was borne of fear of losing western capitalist hegemony...
Exactly, this Domino concept was first developed by U.S. Secretary of State J.Dulles
> The internationally-recognized government of South Vietnam asked the US for military intervention.
Nope. South Vietnam only existed because of the US. It had no popular support and it was basically a state out of whoever was left of those who collaborated with the French. The first head of state was Bao Dai, a guy who was the head puppet under France, Vichy France, Japan, France again and then US.
South Vietnam was kept together by personal interest, anti-communism and American support.
Thank you for correcting...
America is now just a bunch of lobbyist, billionaires and lawyers in a trenchcoat.
We lock up our minorities, deport those in need and separate children from their families for profit, America is an evil nation and history will see it and it's citizens that way. It's amazing that it seems a majority of people (in the US) fail to see the the US for what it is, an imperial nation run on greed and an army of pure evil lawyers hellbent on total economic control. Lawyers and billionaires destroyed this country 20 years ago, now the American machine is just running on fumes and hate. History will see America as a nation and people of pure greed and evil.
America is a mixed bag to be sure. But to say America is “pure greed” and “evil” is just plain ridiculous. As in, absolutely nothing good came out of America?
Absolutely nothing good came out of Nazi Germany?
We can enjoy Fanta and Volkswagens and call it an evil regime at the same time
Thank you. People's rational thought seems to be dissappearing. Whatever America has become today does not mean that America in the past had no redeming qualities.
People's rational thought seems to be dissappearing. Whatever America has become today does not mean that America in the past had no redeming qualities, that is not how time works, it doesn't go backwards :(
The idea that America was ever anything more than that is propaganda. None of this started 20 years ago, or even last century.
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And also American decision makers being incapable of not misunderstanding Communism and various Communist parties/regimes. They made the mistake in Korea and then repeated it shortly after in Vietnam, of just limping everyone together - they're red, they're part of the same evil empire and work as one! How such dumbness ever made it to the White House and Pentagon is beyond me (on the other hand, the Pentagon also thought Japanese would make bad fighter pilots due to the shape of their eyes before WW2 which was just 20 years earlier, so is it really surprising?).
The Vietminh were fought by the Americans because of the dumb Domino Theory and very dumb idea that Vietnam will become a Chinese and Soviet puppet. Neither of those things were really true or even realistic.
It isn't new news that the effects of agent orange are largely unsubstantiated. It became political and so now we need to believe it, but it's largely unscientific.
https://www.nationalacademies.org/news/2016/03/latest-and-fi...
The absolute hubris of dumping that much of a chemical like that onto farmland continues to astound me.
More than that, it's clear that reparations are owed to the affected Vietnamese for the obvious chemical warfare campaign. That it's even a doubt, is basically immoral and anti-humanity.
The United States dropped more than two million tons of bombs on Laos between 1964 and 1973, including a large number of cluster munitions [1].
More than 50 years after the war, bombs still threaten the local citizens[2].
During the construction of the China-Laos Railway, Chinese builders spent a great deal of effort removing leftover bombs along the route[3].
the destruction of Japan Abandoned Chemical Weapons had been delayed *4 times*(SHAME ON YOU JAPS) [4].
[1] https://www.undp.org/sites/g/files/zskgke326/files/migration... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2023/apr/27/i... [3] https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202307/1294231.shtml [4] https://www.mfa.gov.cn/eng/wjb/zzjg_663340/jks_665232/kjfywj...
After battling my bougainvillea this afternoon, I’m about to resort to chemical warfare. Why is that plant popular, and why isn’t there an “Bougainvillea haters” Facebook group?
this is absolutely heartbreaking.
See also, depleted uranium in Iraq. Iraqi mothers and their children will continue to suffer the costs of this heinous war for decades.
Serbia as well ((
I dunno man
Genocidal serbia got off too easy
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