I feel like in either case any opinion should have to depend on how the group explians the purpose of it's policy, and has to actually be merely a "social group" with no material consequences to membership.
People seem to have an opinion that reflects the nature of both points here.
You would think that magicians, of all people, would appreciate a well-executed and harmless deception. More proof that no matter who you are, nobody likes being the butt of the trick...
Disagree that "justice is done". She lied her way in in the first place.
Why shouldn't private groups be permitted to be male-only? There are plenty of female-only groups out there.
As soon as a male space allows women in, its character changes. It is good that there are still spaces for men and spaces for women and mixed spaces, if you ask me.
The Magic Circle is selling itself as "the world's premier magic society", complete with titles. That's not a harmless men's club, excluding women from that makes it harder for them to make it as professional magicians.
As for the immorality of deceiving a bunch of professional magicians, spare me. Literally no harm was done.
As long as the other sex also has the same opportunity to join a similar group, I agree.
But when there is no proper alternative for a man or woman to join a similar club, it's more about the exclusion of people with the same interest but happen to have the wrong sex.
You can't have diversity without exclusion. In order to create a space that has some vibe different from the lowest common denominator of general public, you need to exclude everyone except some groups. Case in point: when I'm organizing a house party, I avoid inviting people who would ruin the vibe, even if they're otherwise fine people.
As much as some people hate to admit this, the recent cultural shift overcorrected towards feminism and non-white races. I'm not saying that Andrew Tate will become mainstream, but I guess in near future it will become acceptable again to shamelessly be a white straight man.
Its a shame it needed a female leader of the Magic Circle to make this happen. Neither the original story, the ridiculous, petulant response or long time to a resolution are a good look for the society.
I feel like people would have a different reaction to a man who tricked his way into a women-only social group.
Yes. It's called a power imbalance. The two things are not equivalent for that reason.
I feel like in either case any opinion should have to depend on how the group explians the purpose of it's policy, and has to actually be merely a "social group" with no material consequences to membership.
People seem to have an opinion that reflects the nature of both points here.
Justice is done.
You would think that magicians, of all people, would appreciate a well-executed and harmless deception. More proof that no matter who you are, nobody likes being the butt of the trick...
Disagree that "justice is done". She lied her way in in the first place.
Why shouldn't private groups be permitted to be male-only? There are plenty of female-only groups out there.
As soon as a male space allows women in, its character changes. It is good that there are still spaces for men and spaces for women and mixed spaces, if you ask me.
The Magic Circle is selling itself as "the world's premier magic society", complete with titles. That's not a harmless men's club, excluding women from that makes it harder for them to make it as professional magicians.
As for the immorality of deceiving a bunch of professional magicians, spare me. Literally no harm was done.
As long as the other sex also has the same opportunity to join a similar group, I agree.
But when there is no proper alternative for a man or woman to join a similar club, it's more about the exclusion of people with the same interest but happen to have the wrong sex.
You can't have diversity without exclusion. In order to create a space that has some vibe different from the lowest common denominator of general public, you need to exclude everyone except some groups. Case in point: when I'm organizing a house party, I avoid inviting people who would ruin the vibe, even if they're otherwise fine people.
As much as some people hate to admit this, the recent cultural shift overcorrected towards feminism and non-white races. I'm not saying that Andrew Tate will become mainstream, but I guess in near future it will become acceptable again to shamelessly be a white straight man.
That's totally acceptable. It's being an unrepentant asshole that people have troubles with.
You could say the same about the race but it sounds kind of racist.
Cue black-focused events.
Its a shame it needed a female leader of the Magic Circle to make this happen. Neither the original story, the ridiculous, petulant response or long time to a resolution are a good look for the society.
Exactly. It should have been a man who decided, who would have surely banished this imposter on the grounds of sedition and harlotry.
Indeed. I wish the entirety of the Magic Circle were female from the start, to avoid discrimination of this sort.
Men should be moved to their own separate social and professional clubs, where they can't disenfranchise anybody.
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