As this article is actually on-topic, then it’s most likely because it sows internal discord.
Like most minds, the HN hive mind prefers to deny and suppress in response to various forms of cognitive dissonance, such as that which arises when one’s actions (or inaction) contradict one’s stated beliefs or morals.
HN also isn’t one for conscious introspection (ie meta commentary). Your comment and my response are generally no-nos.
My comment here was based on the fact that the US government has been developing biometrics databases since the late 1960s. The 'agenda' for decades has always been to monitor and control the population. When protesters do things like suicide bomb buildings from inside their Tesla, torch Tesla dealerships, attack Tesla drivers, and call for the shooting of ICE agents, is it any wonder that DHS will utilize these tools against political protesters?
Sadly this prediction could have been generalized to the US executive branch regardless of the most recent election. It's more of the same from what we've seen in the past, Democrat and Republican leader alike.
Speculation is fun and one thing, but this article appears to be journalism and comes with a lot of receipts for the Vietnamese/Australian white nationalist supporter with connections to the usual suspects in Silicon Valley accelerationism.
What does this accomplish? I genuinely don't understand why this fallacy is so common, even trying to come at it from a psychology perspective.
Something being shocking is not the same as something being unforeseeable. Being shocked by shocking behavior doesn't make you some kind of idiot. Acting as if having emotions about immoral behavior is beneath you is self-aggrandizing.
I'm sorry for my tone, but I'm sick of this genre of internet comment in particular.
This article is really worth a read and talks about the much deeper mechanics and institutional power behind what is happening now.
Clearview had compiled a massive biometric database that would eventually contain billions of images the company scraped off the internet and social media without the knowledge of the platforms or their users. Its AI analyzed these images, creating a “faceprint” for every individual. The company let users run a “probe photo” against its database, and if it generated a hit, it displayed the matching images and links to the websites where they originated. This made it easy for Clearview users to further profile their targets with other information found on those webpages: religious or political affiliation, family and friends, romantic partners, sexuality. All without a search warrant or probable cause.
A diehard Donald Trump supporter, Ton-That... Here, Ton-That appeared to conflate support for the Republican leader with American identity, proposing to scan migrants’ social media for “posts saying ‘I hate Trump’ or ‘Trump is a puta’” and targeting anyone with an “affinity for far-left groups.”
By the end of Trump’s first presidential term, Clearview had secured funding from right-wing billionaire Peter Thiel, one of Elon Musk’s earliest business partners, and signed up hundreds of law enforcement clients around the country. The company doled out free trials to hook users, urging cops to “run wild” with searches. They did. Many departments then bought licenses to access Clearview’s faceprint database.
They do provide links to information on the organization they refer to as fascist. You can draw your own conclusions, but it seems fairly comprehensive.
> I doubt what motherjones is saying.
Considering you're making up stuff about what they said, I can see why.
> I checked.
If you did, you failed.
> "That" (the founder of Clearview AI) is from Australia and seems to have been an artist.
I was not aware that an artist from Austria couldn't be fascist.
If they're selling surveillance tech to law enforcement (especially American law enforcement, who will deploy it disproportionately against marginalized groups), they're fascists. Simple as.
They don't say he's a fascist, they say he cozied up with several people often described as fascists and then back up that accusation with plenty of individual data points..
If this paragraph is factual - and I have no reason to doubt that it is -- that's pretty fascistic behavior!
> Journalists were another target. In May 2017, Bass emailed Cassandra Fairbanks, a far-right activist whom the first Trump administration allowed into press briefings, to ask for the names and emails of reporters in the White House press pool. This would potentially enable Ton-That and his partners to surface social media accounts, pull photos, and, as Bass put it, investigate the “leanings” of the journalists. Fairbanks quickly sent the names and emails of eight reporters to Bass, who forwarded the details to Ton-That. “These shills are high-priority,” Bass wrote. “Dope this is going into smartcheckr,” Ton-That replied. The company later created a “Politicians – Academics – Journalists” category in its biometric database.
Likewise this one..
> Ton-That and Johnson quickly bonded. They brainstormed “alt-tech” ideas and a few months later, in early 2017, launched Smartcheckr, Clearview’s predecessor. Ton-That also got to know Duke and other radicals associated with Johnson, including Marko Jukic, a self-described extremist Catholic traditionalist who once argued that diversity is “corrosive to civilization”; Tyler Bass, a white nationalist who, according to his former girlfriend, attended the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia; and far-right influencer Douglass Mackey, who used a pseudonymous social media persona to disseminate Nazi propaganda and advocate for “global white supremacy.”
Why did this fall of the front page so quickly? Older posts with less points are still there?
Yup, I was wondering the same. It might the so called "flamefilter", yet, it's suspicious.
might have hit the flamewar filter? pushing it down the rankings? (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22159031 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25871251)
As this article is actually on-topic, then it’s most likely because it sows internal discord.
Like most minds, the HN hive mind prefers to deny and suppress in response to various forms of cognitive dissonance, such as that which arises when one’s actions (or inaction) contradict one’s stated beliefs or morals.
HN also isn’t one for conscious introspection (ie meta commentary). Your comment and my response are generally no-nos.
So a journalist at Mother Jones is shocked, but did anyone here on HN not predict this strategy long before Trump got his 2nd term?
My comment here was based on the fact that the US government has been developing biometrics databases since the late 1960s. The 'agenda' for decades has always been to monitor and control the population. When protesters do things like suicide bomb buildings from inside their Tesla, torch Tesla dealerships, attack Tesla drivers, and call for the shooting of ICE agents, is it any wonder that DHS will utilize these tools against political protesters?
Sadly this prediction could have been generalized to the US executive branch regardless of the most recent election. It's more of the same from what we've seen in the past, Democrat and Republican leader alike.
Speculation is fun and one thing, but this article appears to be journalism and comes with a lot of receipts for the Vietnamese/Australian white nationalist supporter with connections to the usual suspects in Silicon Valley accelerationism.
What does this accomplish? I genuinely don't understand why this fallacy is so common, even trying to come at it from a psychology perspective.
Something being shocking is not the same as something being unforeseeable. Being shocked by shocking behavior doesn't make you some kind of idiot. Acting as if having emotions about immoral behavior is beneath you is self-aggrandizing.
I'm sorry for my tone, but I'm sick of this genre of internet comment in particular.
This article is really worth a read and talks about the much deeper mechanics and institutional power behind what is happening now.
Clearview had compiled a massive biometric database that would eventually contain billions of images the company scraped off the internet and social media without the knowledge of the platforms or their users. Its AI analyzed these images, creating a “faceprint” for every individual. The company let users run a “probe photo” against its database, and if it generated a hit, it displayed the matching images and links to the websites where they originated. This made it easy for Clearview users to further profile their targets with other information found on those webpages: religious or political affiliation, family and friends, romantic partners, sexuality. All without a search warrant or probable cause.
A diehard Donald Trump supporter, Ton-That... Here, Ton-That appeared to conflate support for the Republican leader with American identity, proposing to scan migrants’ social media for “posts saying ‘I hate Trump’ or ‘Trump is a puta’” and targeting anyone with an “affinity for far-left groups.”
By the end of Trump’s first presidential term, Clearview had secured funding from right-wing billionaire Peter Thiel, one of Elon Musk’s earliest business partners, and signed up hundreds of law enforcement clients around the country. The company doled out free trials to hook users, urging cops to “run wild” with searches. They did. Many departments then bought licenses to access Clearview’s faceprint database.
I think we’re entering a dystopian era…
no bueno...
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> Clearview AI is owned by fascists?
The article doesn't say that.
> What proof do they have?
They do provide links to information on the organization they refer to as fascist. You can draw your own conclusions, but it seems fairly comprehensive.
> I doubt what motherjones is saying.
Considering you're making up stuff about what they said, I can see why.
> I checked.
If you did, you failed.
> "That" (the founder of Clearview AI) is from Australia and seems to have been an artist.
I was not aware that an artist from Austria couldn't be fascist.
> MJ should be careful with their articles.
You should be careful with your comments.
If they're selling surveillance tech to law enforcement (especially American law enforcement, who will deploy it disproportionately against marginalized groups), they're fascists. Simple as.
They don't say he's a fascist, they say he cozied up with several people often described as fascists and then back up that accusation with plenty of individual data points..
If this paragraph is factual - and I have no reason to doubt that it is -- that's pretty fascistic behavior!
> Journalists were another target. In May 2017, Bass emailed Cassandra Fairbanks, a far-right activist whom the first Trump administration allowed into press briefings, to ask for the names and emails of reporters in the White House press pool. This would potentially enable Ton-That and his partners to surface social media accounts, pull photos, and, as Bass put it, investigate the “leanings” of the journalists. Fairbanks quickly sent the names and emails of eight reporters to Bass, who forwarded the details to Ton-That. “These shills are high-priority,” Bass wrote. “Dope this is going into smartcheckr,” Ton-That replied. The company later created a “Politicians – Academics – Journalists” category in its biometric database.
Likewise this one..
> Ton-That and Johnson quickly bonded. They brainstormed “alt-tech” ideas and a few months later, in early 2017, launched Smartcheckr, Clearview’s predecessor. Ton-That also got to know Duke and other radicals associated with Johnson, including Marko Jukic, a self-described extremist Catholic traditionalist who once argued that diversity is “corrosive to civilization”; Tyler Bass, a white nationalist who, according to his former girlfriend, attended the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia; and far-right influencer Douglass Mackey, who used a pseudonymous social media persona to disseminate Nazi propaganda and advocate for “global white supremacy.”
These are not good people..