Calm tech certification "rewards" less distracting tech

(spectrum.ieee.org)

323 points | by headalgorithm a day ago ago

99 comments

  • pedalpete 19 hours ago

    We're building a neuromodulation sleep headband, and we've always had the aim of getting to the point where the user puts it on, it does it's thing (slow-wave enhancement) the person takes it off in the morning and goes about their day.

    I don't even want to put IO into the device at all. Not only because it increases cost and size, but because I don't what the user having to interact. We have to find better ways to fit the device in your life, so you don't even think about it.

    • ranger207 11 hours ago

      I'm a little worried, in your example, that there might be some configuration required that could be frustrating without a way to do it on the device.

      For example, I helped someone transfer their stuff from their old iPhone to their new one a few years ago. The way you're supposed to do it is touch your old iPhone to the new one and it'll just work. Needless to say, it didn't. I think it was about an hour of rebooting the old and new ones before it finally caught. Since there weren't any logs or settings to change or any way at all to influence the process it was more frustrating than magic.

      Now, it's possible your product really is as simple as turning it on and it'll just work, in the same way a lamp is "turn on and it works", but if there's any configuration at all that the device does, please expose it to the users. Human brains are incredible at finding patterns, generally better than computers, and if there's a mismatch between the human's model of how something works and the device's model, it's best to allow the human to change the device's model

      • Aardwolf an hour ago

        Maybe this depends on the person, but I find a device with some buttons to configure it infinitely easier and less frustrating than an app.

        An app to my brain screams "depends on your phone and will be outdated at some point; requires picking and unlocking your phone to use it; will have updates that change/ruin it at some point".

        I just want to feel a button and press it, especially for things supposed to be used in the dark while sleeping.

    • adhoc_slime 17 hours ago

      Do you get many people thinking this product is snakeoil?

    • bodge5000 18 hours ago

      I was working on a similar IO problem with wearables a while ago (though by the sounds of things, far less seriously than you are), and I had the idea that maybe that band/strap could function as an on-off switch, so when you undo the band (which you do when taking it off), it turns the device off, and vice versa. Could be something you could try too

      • jazzyjackson 14 hours ago

        This is a fun material you could use to detect if a band was stretched or not, silver coated elastic [0], near 0 ohm resistance when loose, resistance increases when stretched. I built a voltage divider with a patch of it when I was experimenting with fabric input devices, mostly just noise makers, but you can see how responsive it is [1]

        [0] https://lessemf.com/product/stretch-conductive-fabric/

        [1] https://youtu.be/Xjo4w4OiBS8

      • _Algernon_ 8 hours ago

        Polar H10 basically works like that. It's great until you are suddenly unable to connect to it via bluetooth, and have to blindly debug the reason. Is the device even on? Battery low? Broken? App issues? Who the fuck knows.

      • mystified5016 17 hours ago

        I'm putting capactive sensors in my wearables to turn them on when in contact with a human.

        I strongly believe that the class of widget I'm building should stay firmly out of the user's way. The point is to forget it's there. So, as simple IO as possible.

    • polishdude20 19 hours ago

      Woah can you tell us more about this? Seems like really cool tech

    • hcks 8 hours ago

      At this point why not go low-tech and use healing crystals?

      • cr125rider an hour ago

        Magnets could be the premium tier

    • 0_____0 18 hours ago

      I love tech like this. You put it on and it just does its thing. My HR monitor is like that, although if the receiving device doesn't immediately pair, it can be frustrating figuring out what's gone wrong.

  • dang 18 hours ago

    Related. Others?

    Calm Technology - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29115653 - Nov 2021 (68 comments)

    Calm Technology - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21799736 - Dec 2019 (155 comments)

    Principles of Calm Technology - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12389344 - Aug 2016 (66 comments)

    Calm Technology - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9107526 - Feb 2015 (1 comment)

    Calm Tech, Then and Now - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8475764 - Oct 2014 (1 comment)

    Designing Calm Technology (1995) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7976258 - July 2014 (2 comments)

  • nixpulvis 17 hours ago

    The irony of trying to read this article and being assaulted by cookie warnings and ad popups that appear while scrolling is not lost on me.

    • bilekas 6 hours ago

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    • ramon156 8 hours ago

      Sadly they have no control over the cookie warnings

      • master-lincoln 19 minutes ago

        You have been brainwashed successfully

      • lm28469 5 hours ago

        Out of the four categories they show only one needs consent: targeted ads, the others can be fully anonymous. The "essential cookies" can't be disabled, the "analytics" can be fully anonymous, the "personalisation" can be fully anonymous.

      • AdamN 3 hours ago

        People say that but it's not really true. If they just have 1P cookies for basic functionality (login), then I believe there can be a discreet notice at the bottom informing the user of that fact. Groups like IEEE should be the ones pioneering those patterns.

        • high_na_euv an hour ago

          Cookies for auth do not need such thing

        • lowercased 2 hours ago

          Not even sure you need any discreet notice about anything for strictly necessary first party cookies. That's my understanding of GDPR, at any rate.

          • arkh an hour ago

            You don't HAVE TO have a cookie banner for cookies which don't require consent.

            Cookies not requiring consent :

              - "technical" cookies: for session, saving some user preferences (consenting to cookies or not, language etc.)
              - cookies used for load balancing or to protect against fraud
              - cookies used to save a cart or used to invoice some service
              - usage statistics cookies IF the data is anonymous
            
            Also, the law is about trackers, not specifically cookies: so data in local and session storage are concerned as does browser fingerprinting.
          • martin_a 2 hours ago

            That's true. Strictly technically necessary cookies do not need consent or even information with a banner. Guess it's nice to know, but probably not legally necessary.

            • high_na_euv an hour ago

              >Guess it's nice to know

              It isnt, why should I care?

      • globular-toast 7 hours ago

        Of course they do. They aren't forced to use cookies that require user consent.

      • GJim 4 hours ago

        Ummmmm

        If they didn't have ads that track me, then they would have no need to ask my permission to use cookies that track me.

        There is no requirement so seek permission for other cookies needed to run the website. Quite why some readers of a technical news site (!) are still confused about this is bizzare.

        In short, blame the scummy adtech industry. Not the legislation that gives us our privacy.

  • remoquete 21 hours ago

    Amber Case's book on Calm Technology and design was a great read. Perhaps as a consequence of having studied Cognitive Science, I find this one to be the best book I’ve read on feature design — and not just for software.

    It's full of easily digestible insights on attention and context, with excellent examples and clear explanations. It’s almost philosophical in its apparent simplicity.

    • eikenberry 20 hours ago

      What were some of these insights?

      • remoquete 20 hours ago

        The most important is that tech must stay at the periphery of the user's attention. Of course one cannot apply this to Candy Crush...

  • philip-b 15 hours ago

    My list of calm (+), somewhat calm (o), and non-calm (-) pieces of technology that I have owned:

    + kindle from 2010 - laptop - phone - Ipad (but it's still much calmer than my computer or my phone) + Harmonica (musical instrument) o Amplifier (I use it with my harmonica through a mic) - Linnstrument (musical instrument that requires computer or ipad connection) + Pencil and paper + Paper books o Handwritten notes on Ipad - Notes in obsidian o Nintendo Switch + Paper dictionary (for language learning) - Dictionary + Claude AI on my phone

  • constantcrying 18 hours ago

    Very interesting initiative. I think examining products on that level is very important.

    What I think is also important though are tools which can embrace this and work with existing technology. The modern smartphone is simultaneously a great tool and an enormous distraction. There exist no device which offers the tools I genuinely need without all of the distractions.

    • TulliusCicero 18 hours ago

      Agreed, had a bunch of talks about this issue with the wife.

      On one hand, we're both distractible people, and it'd probably be better if we could leave our phones behind on certain family outings and trips.

      But on the other hand, there's definitely times where you really need your phone on said outings: for directions, for business info, to call people, to book things, etc. It's just hard to get the necessities without bringing along everything else.

  • jf 21 hours ago

    I wasn't able to find a full list of all Calm Tech certified devices, but it looks like the union of these two URLs lists most of what they have certified:

    https://www.calmtech.institute/calm-tech-certification

    https://www.calmtech.institute/blog/tags/calm-tech-certified

    • jbm 18 hours ago

      I own that timer, or an Aliexpress knockoff there-of. It is great and helps my kids with their homework.

      The daylight computer looked interesting too; but its website undermines the message it seems to give. I wanted a price and to order and could do neither, but there were long paragraphs about how revolutionary it was, with left to right and up-to-down transitions.

    • Animats 13 hours ago

      Looking at the full list of certified devices:

      - AirThing View Plus: "This is placeholder text. To change this content, double-click on the element and click Change Content." Supposedly this has seven sensors, but only displays two values. How does that work? The values are displayed as numbers, too. A bar chart with green, yellow, and red sections would "calmer"

      - Daylight Computer - Placeholder text again. No specs. What does it actually do? Writing only? Web browsing? Dark grey on off-white text, which looks like low-end E-Ink.

      - Time Timer - looks fine, although everybody else's timers count down counterclockwise. How much does it cost? If it's $10, great If it's $100, come on.

      - Unplug - if you need that, you have other problems.

      This is disappointing. It's like the junk that used to be advertised in the magazines that were provided in airline seat backs. These are all non-problems or easy hits. They need something more useful, such as a more usable TV remote or home control unit or car infotainment system. Those all run from bad to worse.

      I've run into "simple interface" people a few times. One was a guy who was plugging his book about how clever their design for a seat-back entertainment system was. He had a model of four typical users and how they'd use it to pick from a rather short list of alternatives. I'd already read the book. I said, why not just have a channel selector knob? Then it comes out that the thing had a payment interface for pay per view. That wasn't mentioned when they were explaining how simple it was.

      A few years ago, there was someone who wanted to build a GUI for some common Linux tool to promote their design shop. I suggested tackling Git, which really needs a GUI. That was too hard.

      This goes way back. In the 1930s, there was a thing for radios with One Knob. Here's a 1950s TV ad for that.[1] There was a long period during which radios and TVs had a large number of knobs to be adjusted to get decent results. That was finally overcome.

      My favorite simple interface is General Railway Signal's NX system.[1] This is the first "intelligent user interface", from 1936. What makes it "intelligent" is that, when a train is entering the interlocking, the dispatcher selects the incoming track, and then all the possible exit points light up. They pick the desired exit and push its button. The system then sets up the route, setting the signals and switches. Conflicts with other routes are detected, so this is safe. If there are alternate routes, NX can route around other trains. The previous technology was that the dispatcher had to figure out which switches and signals to set themselves. There was interlocking to prevent hazardous setups, but the lever machines couldn't plan a route.

      This kind of UX design is really important and usually botched.

      [1] https://anyflip.com/lbes/vczg

      • wink 4 hours ago

        > This goes way back. In the 1930s, there was a thing for radios with One Knob. Here's a 1950s TV ad for that.[1] There was a long period during which radios and TVs had a large number of knobs to be adjusted to get decent results. That was finally overcome.

        As I'm not sure if you're arguing for or against... I am generally pro digital for radios and TVs, and automatic seek is nice - but I've had it in (analog) car radios that the .05 or whatever resolution wasn't good enough, so a good old potentiometer knob helps.

        But ever since I'm not sure if the best UX design exists. People have different problems to solve, and apparently "my favourite radio station has a weak signal" is one of them. Never had this problem with TVs auto-scanning for stations.

  • kashyapc 5 hours ago

    They mention "reMarkable Paper Pro", but I'm not willing to pay a subscription for such a physical device that already is quite expensive.

    I see reMarkable says[1] you can use it without a subscription, but I'm not confident they won't pull the rug under my feet.

    [1] https://support.remarkable.com/s/article/Using-reMarkable-wi...

    • itishappy 23 minutes ago

      I don't have a subscription or even an account, and I've had no issues using my reMarkable 2. I literally have not turned on WiFi, but it's been an excellent offline device. Being able to plug it in and connect via ssh is a solid feature.

      That being said, my girlfriend loves her Supernote too, so there's plenty of alternatives.

    • laserbeam 2 hours ago

      The remarkable team is good at marketing their product, and of course they’ll get it “calm certified” if they can. Keep in mind there are plenty of alternatives to it (boox, supernote, kindle scribe, many more). I bet you 90% of them are just as “calm” as the remakrable.

      • EnnEmmEss 2 hours ago

        I've only used the Boox Tab Ultra C Pro and Remarkable Paper Pro but the latter is definitely a lot more "calm" than the former. I primarily use it only as a note-taking device. YMMV but for me, while the former had a full-fledged Android and the associated bells and whistles like the corresponding apps, local AI features, handwriting search and so on, the RMPP nailed the few things it did. Its sync was pretty slow and it needed wifi for any of the handwriting conversion but its latency felt a lot better (albeit the redraw was a bit annoying) and more importantly, it really felt like they nailed the colors better. When I use red and blue in the RMPP, I can easily recognize the diff without straining my eyes which was not the case for me with the BTUCP (is this the correct short form?).

        The keyboard folio was also better for the RMPP since I often experienced loose contact with the one on the BTUCP when I used it on my lap (flat surfaces were good once I set it up). Otoh, the material used in the BTUCP was much better since the RMPP one uses a polyster weave which often leaves me with slight goosebumps. Additionally, the keyboard folio isn't a feature I use often.

        I really can't talk about the others so for all I know, Scribe or supernote might be a lot better. RMPP does have a 90 days no questions asked return policy if you want to try it out (though I'm not sure how much that's worth).

  • GuB-42 15 hours ago

    I don't really understand what it is about. The general idea is be less distracting, but that's pretty vague, a lot of things are not distracting, in fact most things aren't, we just don't notice and that's the point.

    The criteria seem to be "attention, periphery, durability, light, sound, and materials". Very broad. It looks like it even addresses openness and repairability with "an instruction booklet with a list of replacements and compatible parts", something I really care about, but how does it relate to calm?

    Maybe it will be clearer when the certification document is out.

  • abeppu a day ago

    > requires an instruction booklet with a list of replacements and compatible parts

    I appreciate this but it doesn't seem like it belongs in a certification about calmness per se. Even annoying tech should be clear about the extent to which parts are replaceable.

    • jazzyjackson 21 hours ago

      Think of calm as the opposite of surprised. As in, wow I'm surprised this computer has a proprietary soldered on SSD I can't replace! I am no longer calm!

    • gjsman-1000 a day ago

      This is the danger with certifications: Making the certification too broad, causes very few things to be certified. Very few things being certified, means nobody knows why the certification matters.

      In my mind, repairability, "calmness," accessibility - it's all separate.

  • agumonkey 21 hours ago

    I can't stop thinking that we're circling back to how "tech" was before when it was limited because it fits our needs better. Slower, some complexity, less possibilities at every time.

    • jazzyjackson 20 hours ago

      Yes I think the smartphone is an instance of "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.", when tech had higher constraints there was more thought put into determining what was essential.

      When I want to put on headphones to do chores around the house I pick up my 2006-era iPod. No wireless pairing to screw with, no distracting notifications, just a library of music I've already listened to a hundred times so I can just think, which of these albums am I in the mood for, and choose. The interface is simple to navigate because there's just not much to navigate, and IMO that goes a long way to have a predictable experience that never introduces frustration.

      • constantcrying 18 hours ago

        But the universality of phones also made them great tools. Maps, calls, messages all can be enormously beneficial.

        The problem comes when they are both a tool and an entertainment device, as they are inseparably linked together.

        • agumonkey 18 hours ago

          I think the universality hides the fact that these are not really made to stay in the flow of life but to be cute and shiny in themselves, capturing your attention instead of being the shortest path on providing what you need to keep going. Then there's the instability of platform (plethora of messaging apps..), the usual ad infestation (google maps now shows a lot of local shop whether you asked for it or not) etc etc. Old devices had to be tailored and became a side element in your life.

        • kentm 16 hours ago

          Even removing entertainment wouldn’t solve the problem because these devices have been engineered to be ad delivery platforms. You would have to ban advertising on the device.

      • mhh__ 19 hours ago

        In the west I guess there's some truth to that but I think phones have been emancipatory in the poorer parts of the world.

      • agumonkey 19 hours ago

        The irony is that, the iphone era was somehow everything I wanted to see. But indeed this unified (incredible) device, ends up being a sink in itself that sucks so much of your thoughts to provide very few on average (there's some fun stuff given by having a pocket computer to be fair).

        • jazzyjackson 18 hours ago

          For me the tipping point was when I could no longer FTP files to my android phone. Not much of a computer IMO !

  • alganet 2 hours ago

    Less misdirecting tech? Sounds great. It is too late though.

  • AbstractH24 3 hours ago

    I thought this was related to the app Calm before clicking on it.

    Would have been a very interesting new direction for them to expand in.

  • choilive 17 hours ago

    You know whats calm and not distracting? A notebook and pen. You can buy a LOT of decent notebooks for the price of one of the reMarkables mentioned in the article. (~30 or so?), and it will last a lot longer as well. Im starting to sound like a luddite.

    • ryanianian 17 hours ago

      I get you're being snarky, but I'll politely push back.

      I remained skeptical for a long time. Then I got one. I absolutely love it. In particular, the ability to have multiple notebooks with me and cross-linking via tags. And "infinite pages" lets you insert space in the middle of a page or continue moving down without having to worry about physical page sizes. I can also screen-share the tablet with the desktop app to draw diagrams on zoom calls.

      Admittedly, it is only incremental over a spiral notebook and a bic pen. But they do that incremental thing pretty well, particularly because of their focus on the "calm tech" aspects and lack of mainstream ecosystem to track upstream.

      • malfist 17 hours ago

        I had the opposite experience. I am an avid note taker, love the idea of a remarkable and got one for all the benefits you mentioned, especially the screen share part and just found it unsatisfying. Couldn't stick with it, wound up sending it back and going back to pen and paper

    • girvo 13 hours ago

      My paper notebooks can't do linking, I can't easily rearrange pages, rearrange my notes on the page, and getting it off my paper and into my work PC is more challenging. My Kindle Scribe is excellent for all of this, and I can't go back, personally!

      • dredmorbius 11 hours ago

        There are of course pen-and-paper approaches to all of these.

        Links in text are called references. These can be internal within a document or codex, or external, referencing third-party works. Either case is far less subject to linkrot than URLs have turned out to be.

        One of the killer concepts of a bullet journal is the use of indices and spreads to provide an interlinked and searchable reference. If you go back in time, there are numerous journal and commonplace book organisational schemes.

        Pages can be easily rearranged using a removeable binding (three-ring binder or various other options), or by using an unbound format such as index cards (the original database solution).

        Data can be entered into a computer through scanning and handwriting recognition, though this is admittedly slow, cumbersome, and inexact. On the other hand, you may want friction between your paper-based and electronic data systems.

      • criddell 3 hours ago

        I hope either Amazon or Remarkable come out with a 13" e-paper tablet. I want to be able to read and mark up A4 sized pdfs. The Fujitsu Quaderno is out there, but it feels semi-abandoned.

      • notatoad 12 hours ago

        >I can't easily rearrange pages, rearrange my notes on the page

        okay. so don't do those things.

        for me, that's what "calm tech" is all about - it's not just notifications and distractions, it's all the desire for more features, and for software to solve all problems. sometimes we can just not have features, and keep some problems, instead of trading our problems for the problems that more features bring.

        • girvo 7 hours ago

          You’re better at writing than I am then! I make mistakes all the time, so being able to move my words around on the page is super useful.

          This to me is calm tech, because that’s all it does: note taking. If your definition is such that only pen and paper meets it, that’s not a very useful definition for tech IMO

    • kibwen 17 hours ago

      > Im starting to sound like a luddite.

      Obligatory mention that the Luddites weren't against technology in general, they were against technology that was causing them to lose their livelihoods (while the country was already in the midst of an employment crisis and economic downturn due to a trade war (and real war) with Napoleon's Europe).

    • golly_ned 17 hours ago

      With the usual trade-offs between pen and notebook: namely durability and storage, for me. Some can account for all their notebooks going back years. I cannot, which makes me sad to have lost a lot of writing.

      • CapeTheory 17 hours ago

        I have observed a strange/alarming behaviour when I carry a notebook - because friends and family don't typically have one, they find it intriguing and so will sometimes absentmindedly snoop through what I've written if I leave it unattended. The same thing just doesn't happen with a ReMarkable (and even if it did, you can set a PIN code).

        • girvo 13 hours ago

          > and so will sometimes absentmindedly snoop through what I've written if I leave it unattended

          I'm glad I'm not the only one who experienced that! Such a fascinating experience, though really quite upsetting at the time. Doesn't happen now with my PIN-locked e-ink device.

  • internet_points 6 hours ago

    That mui board looks quite nice – how hard would it be to make something wood-like that just displays the weather when you touch it? I'm thinking something more or less A5 or moleskine-shaped that I can hang on the wall in the hallway, and you touch it (or press a button or something) and it loads and display a web page, does nothing else

  • umutisik 20 hours ago

    Tablets and phones could be calm tech too if they adjusted their brightness and white-point correctly based on ambient lighting.

    • jazzyjackson 20 hours ago

      I thought an interesting move for the next Light Phone is to dedicate an entire knob to screen brightness [0], although they indicate it will be user programmable too.

      https://www.thelightphone.com/blog/light-iii-design-manifest...

    • sdflhasjd 19 hours ago

      My previous phone had a scheduled "night time mood" which put the display into greyscale. Without this there's an intensity to the screen that reducing the brightness doesn't fix.

    • malfist 17 hours ago

      Calm tech isn't about nit levels. It's about how much the tech inserts itself into your attention.

      • wink 4 hours ago

        Maybe that's the spirit but you'll always have people who would like a clock on the wall, always visible and others who don't, but don't mind touching a button for it to light up. So I think "calm" can't be objective.

      • criddell 3 hours ago

        I don't understand how the Daylight Computer, which is a full Android tablet, qualifies as calm tech.

    • yapyap 20 hours ago

      I doubt those are the uncalming aspects of tablets and phones, sure they’re what keep you up at night on a physical level but not mentally.

      • hammock 20 hours ago

        + Greyscale + some kind of refresh rate limiter to 1-2Hz instead of 60-120hz :)

        • 9021007 20 hours ago

          Sounds like you’re describing an e-ink phone, which is actually a real product!

          • hammock 17 hours ago

            Yes. Or a smartphone with these settings (doesn't require you to spend $$)

            • pushcart 9 hours ago

              Are you somehow able to lower refresh rate below 60Hz on phones? Would love to do this if possible (have an Android)

              e: There's adb command to change the refresh rate: `adb shell settings put system min_refresh_rate 10.0`. Unfortunately my phone seems to have locked possible refresh rates to 60/90/120, any other values don't do anything. If someone wants to try this, there should be "Show refresh rate" setting under developer options which helps to detect if the adb command was successful or not.

  • lifeisstillgood 17 hours ago

    My son just had an X-ray and there were checks and balances and careful professionals. It’s taken a hundred years plus to go from early tech to available in local hospitals.

    We have barely begun to address the sharp edges of social media, mobiles and more. We will get there, a calm UI and backgrounded tech (hint AI won’t do it magically we need to intentionally give up selling ads every second) but democracy helps.

  • sakesun 10 hours ago

    Emacs is my calm tech IDE.

    • MathMonkeyMan 39 minutes ago

      I use vscode in neovim mode, but it does have a habit of "notifying" me about everything. Whose idea was it for there to be a marginal popup repeating everything I do?

      I do a thing, and there's the popup "hey, you did a thing!" Stop it...

    • globular-toast 6 hours ago

      Been using Emacs for over 15 years and, now you mention it, I guess that is why. At the time it was normal for people to use a different IDE per language and these would be littered with buttons, menus, tabs etc. I thought this was ridiculous so looked into vim and Emacs. Emacs is obviously better so I made my config completely distraction-free (which is trivial to do).

      Now 99% of my window is the text I'm editing (two lines reserved for modeline and minibuffer). Nothing pops up or makes its presence known until the moment I need it. Tabs are a good example. I often have close to a hundred files "open" in Emacs but I don't need to know about them until the moment I'm ready to switch to one.

      I was 10 years ahead of VS Code taking off but when I look at that I still see a bunch of useless distractions taking up valuable screen space.

    • DonHopkins 6 hours ago

      With a built-in psychoanalyzer!

      RMS -vs- Doctor, on the evils of Natalism:

      http://www.art.net/studios/hackers/hopkins/Don/text/rms-vs-d...

  • TylerE 15 hours ago

    The only thing I’d want:

    Has no Blue LEDs: Pass

    Has a Blue LED: Fail

    Edit: Honorable mention for text boxes that silently eat newlines.

    • Kuraj 14 hours ago

      How about any LEDs?

      Having to use duct tape to prevent an appliance from lighting up my entire room at night is egregious.

      • bmicraft 11 hours ago

        I could settle for a switch at the bottom to disable all lights, and in return the manufacturer is allowed to add as many as they like

      • TylerE 10 hours ago

        I could be convinced but the old school dull green's I don't find objectionable at all. Nor the similarly dim warm orangey reds of the same era.

        The blue ones are just so much brighter, and many of them seem to have a flicker, too.

  • brianmaurer 18 hours ago

    Coincidentally there's an app on the front page that is an open-source and free for the Unpluq product mentioned in the Calm certification: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42782295

  • gagik_co 19 hours ago

    I mean right now just seems to be one of those business that one pays to put a logo of a nice green checkmark or a tree to make your product seem more legit and ethical

    Sure it’s nice to push bunch of nice UI patterns but I imagine most of the “certified” products weren’t going to be attention hogs anyways. A positive outcome from something like this would be if governments started requiring these kind of certifications like they do for accessibility.

  • localghost3000 20 hours ago

    > Companies designing new products were unclear on what was right, or wrong, and uncertain about how they might put calm technology ideals into practice.

    Nope. That’s not at all what the problem is. The problem is that when you implement features that respect the users attention an engagement metric dips slightly. And a shot caller notices. They roll the feature back. Because at the end of the day your calm means fuck all to the pursuit of endless growth.

  • DonHopkins 7 hours ago

    I worked with Mark Weiser at the University of Maryland Heterogeneous Systems Lab, where we researched and published a paper about pie menus at CHI'88, before he went to run Xerox PARC.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Weiser

    https://donhopkins.medium.com/an-empirical-comparison-of-pie...

    The Computer for the 21st Century:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkHALBOqn7s

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28351064

    DonHopkins on Aug 29, 2021 | parent | context | favorite | on: Computers should expose their internal workings as...

    Natalie Jeremijenko: LiveWire, Dangling String; Mark Weiser: Calm Technology, Ubiquitous Computing

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calm_technology

    >Calm Technology

    >History

    >The phrase "calm technology" was first published in the article "Designing Calm Technology", written by Mark Weiser and John Seely Brown in 1995.[1] The concept had developed amongst researchers at the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center in addition to the concept of ubiquitous computing.[3]

    >Weiser introduced the concept of calm technology by using the example of LiveWire or "Dangling String". It is an eight-foot (2.4 m) string connected to the mounted small electric motor in the ceiling. The motor is connected to a nearby Ethernet cable. When a bit of information flows through that Ethernet cable, it causes a twitch of the motor. The more the information flows, the motor runs faster, thus creating the string to dangle or whirl depending on how much network traffic is. It has aesthetic appeal; it provides a visualization of network traffic but without being obtrusive.[4]

    [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20190508225438/https://www.karls...

    [3] https://web.archive.org/web/20131214054651/http://ieeexplore...

    PDF: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~./jasonh/courses/ubicomp-sp2007/paper...

    [4] https://web.archive.org/web/20110706212255/https://uwspace.u...

    PDF: https://web.archive.org/web/20170810073340/https://uwspace.u...

    >According to Weiser, LiveWire is primarily an aesthetic object, a work of art, which secondarily allows the user to know network traffic, while expending minimal effort. It assists the user by augmenting an office with information about network traffic. Essentially, it moves traffic information from a computer screen to the ‘real world’, where the user can acquire information from it without looking directly at it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalie_Jeremijenko#Live_Wire_...

    >Natalie Jeremijenko

    >Live Wire (Dangling String), 1995

    >In 1995,[9] as an artist-in-residence at Xerox PARC in Palo Alto, California under the guidance of Mark Weiser, she created an art installation made up of LED cables that lit up relative to the amount of internet traffic. The work is now seen as one of the first examples of ambient or "calm" technology.[10][11]

    [9] https://web.archive.org/web/20110526023949/http://mediaartis...

    [10] https://web.archive.org/web/20100701035651/http://iu.berkele...

    >Weiser comments on Dangling String: "Created by artist Natalie Jeremijenko, the "Dangling String" is an 8 foot piece of plastic spaghetti that hangs from a small electric motor mounted in the ceiling. The motor is electrically connected to a nearby Ethernet cable, so that each bit of information that goes past causes a tiny twitch of the motor. A very busy network causes a madly whirling string with a characteristic noise; a quiet network causes only a small twitch every few seconds. Placed in an unused corner of a hallway, the long string is visible and audible from many offices without being obtrusive."

    [11] https://web.archive.org/web/20120313074738/http://ipv6.com/a...

    >Mark Weiser suggested the idea of enormous number of ubiquitous computers embedding into everything in our everyday life so that we use them anytime, anywhere without the knowledge of them. Today, ubiquitous computing is still at an early phase as it requires revolutionary software and hardware technologies.

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17353666

    DonHopkins on June 20, 2018 | parent | context | favorite | on: Philip K. Dick: A Visionary Among the Charlatans (...

    Mark Weiser once told me that Ubik was one of his inspirations for Ubiquitous Computing.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20060220211305/http://www.ubiq.c...

    >Ubiquitous computing names the third wave in computing, just now beginning. First were mainframes, each shared by lots of people. Now we are in the personal computing era, person and machine staring uneasily at each other across the desktop. Next comes ubiquitous computing, or the age of calm technology, when technology recedes into the background of our lives. Alan Kay of Apple calls this "Third Paradigm" computing.

    https://blog.canary.is/from-tesla-to-touchscreens-the-journe...

    >One year earlier, in 1998, Mark Weiser described it a little differently, stating that, “Ubiquitous computing is roughly the opposite of virtual reality. Where virtual reality puts people inside a computer-generated world,” Weiser asserted,“ubiquitous computing forces the computer to live out here in the world with people.” This wasn’t the first time someone broached the idea of IoT. In the early 1980s, students at Carnegie Mellon’s Computer Science department created the first IoT Coke machine. Author Philip K. Dick wrote about the smart home in the 1969 sci-fi novel Ubik, and four decades before, inventor and engineer Nikola Tesla addressed the concept in Colliers Magazine. In an amazingly prescient 1926 interview, Tesla said,

    >"When wireless is perfectly applied the whole earth will be converted into a huge brain…We shall be able to communicate with one another instantly, irrespective of distance…and the instruments through which we shall be able to do this will be amazingly simple compared with our present telephone. A man will be able to carry one in his vest pocket."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubik

    “Five cents, please,” his front door said when he tried to open it. One thing, anyhow, hadn’t changed. The toll door had an innate stubbornness to it; probably it would hold out after everything else. After everything except it had long since reverted, perhaps in the whole city … if not the whole world.

    He paid the door a nickel, hurried down the hall to the moving ramp which he had used only minutes ago.

    […]

    “I don’t have any more nickels,” G. G. said. “I can’t get out.”

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    […]

    “I’ll go get my test equipment from the car,” Joe said, starting towards the door.

    “Five cents, please,”

    “Pay the door,” Hoe said to G. G. Ashwood.

    [...]

    “Can I borrow a couple of poscreds from you?” Joe said. “So I can eat breakfast?”

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  • username135 12 hours ago

    I wish wearable tech was dumb. I dont want to connect it to my phone, to an app, to the internet.... _nothing_

    Its hard to find these kinds of devices but i have to believe there's a market. I can't be the only one.

  • CatWChainsaw 15 hours ago

    If it doesn't make as money as addition tech it will lose.

  • motohagiography 19 hours ago

    working on some product ideas now, finding that any code or set of interactions you can abstract up into an analog control loop is both calm and powerful.

    if you have a system where you can dynamically dial resources up and down to find an optimal output, that's a high value system. I think understanding this balance is how aesthetic properties translate into value.

  • metalman 15 hours ago

    less distracting, less distracting, less distracting than what?, oh ! oh! I know this one its called lowering the bar, all the way, from where a device or a technology does something that saves you time and effort, to where it costs you time and attention from the things you need to do, but thats ok. where is a ludite with a big wrench

  • everyone 19 hours ago

    I mean that mui Board thing is pretty cool and novel, that would definitely distract me for a while.

  • Minor49er a day ago

    I was trying to read the article about less-distracting tech, but I was distracted by a "create an account" popup that covered the screen while doing so

    • cesarvarela 21 hours ago

      And the cookies banner and the related stories column...

  • endofreach 19 hours ago

    Need to try it here, dorry for OT: Does anyone know investors in europe looking to fund something a little moonshotty? What i've been working on is fundamentally "calm" at it's core, yet more advanced tech.

    Happy for any input (don't think VC is the route to go).