I tried hoarder and I didn't like the way listed view works. I prefer the simplicity of the view provided by Linkding. I find hoarder new auto tagging with ollama something I want to use because I am lazy.
For references there are many options in selfhosted bookmarking apps market. These beside Hoarder are the most known software.
When I use a tool like this one of the most important things is that it works offline so I can read something in a plane or on the go.
I've looked into most of these (and instapaper, pocket, etc) and ultimately found Wallabag to be the best. However, their app is quite buggy and site is fairly clunky for my taste. Luckily there's a pretty recent 3rd party client that works offline super well and is on Mac/Linux/android/iOS for free (yay flutter) https://github.com/casimir/frigoligo
Also, I'll note that it's basically a must to use the browser extension with the option to download via what the browser sees if you get content from a lot of sites. That being said the devs are super responsive to reports that sites aren't being scraped appropriately.
My biggest wish is that they supported YouTube (at least titles) and they had a way to indicate when a article needs to be scraped client side.
Seems like the tag system is flat, which is a big limitation on the organization capability.
For example, I noticed that in the demo access app, there's a note about cooking, and it has 4 tags:
- `baking`
- `cupcakes`
- `oven cooking`
- `recipe`
This would get out of hand quickly.
There should be a hierarchy of tags (categories):
`cupcakes` in `baking` in `oven cooking` in `recipe`
The only tag needed in this case for the note would be `cupcakes`
Hi there! I am extremely glad to read someone else write about this necessity!
I own and operate a "list-taking" app[0] in which every list/kanban-item can itself be a list/kanban.
I currently use it for things I'm the creator of -- tasks, story outlines, etc, but looking to introduce 3rd party content for task management (I want to see GitHub tasks from work next to my own tasks) and, as you say, knowledge management of things like recipes or music.
Items could be part of one or multiple hierarchies. A list of "cake" recipes could be under both "baking" and "party essentials", and music playlists could include other playlists.
As you can tell, this can become convoluted in my mind, and so if that's something that's interesting to you (or anyone reading this), please reach out and let's discuss! hn at nestful.app
I may have come across your app before in passing, but hadn't checked it out. I playtested aspects of a "productivity system" (grain of salt) with paper earlier this year.
"Spontaneous productivity" mirrors some of my own thinking on the subject, especially the JIT and bubbling aspects and how they work together. I haven't seen how it works in the case of Nestful, but I'm keen to try it out. It may adjust the design principles guiding development.
The tagging system is indeed flat, but the lists can be nested. The idea being that tags are usually AI generated, and there's a lot of them (which is useful for search), but lists are meant for manual curation and this is where you can have whatever structure you want.
IMO it would be interesting to try to combine the two approaches (curation + auto tagging).
It starts out with the user scaffolding an initial hierarchy, then (after enough usage to provide meaningful data for ML predictions) the ML model predicts on subsequent entries, and asks the user for approval (which feeds a reinforcement learning model)
This is indeed the plan. We're currently working on generating embeddings for the all the bookmarks stored, and one of the usecases of this is going to be clustering. If a bookmark is similar to all other bookmarks in a list, the model can suggest adding those bookmarks to the list. Still a manual operation, but with ML assistance.
I must ask, in your github readme you say "[Planned] Downloading the content for offline reading." but what does that mean in the context of a self hosted application? Isn't the data already downloaded - via the other features such as "Full page archival" and "Automatic fetching".
I guess one small request - could the chrome/firefox extension include a way to transfer the page data from the browser, as it's being displayed to the user? (as in, transfer the entire page/html instead of the page's link). This would likely result in much better support for nasty sites like twitter and such that require credentials, etc..!
I've saved ~50k .webarchive files from Safari in a single folder, indexed via Spotlight — not an archivist's dream, but I'm a sucker for using anything in the OS stack.
- Search inside the description of the bookmark, it doesn't.
- Update to a new version of hoarder. Since the software isn't stable, it's a real problem.
- Related to the previous point => More archive formats.
Otherwise, it's a very good software. Easy to use, nice front-end, good UX.
Hey, Hoarder's maintainer here. I'd like to know more about the pain you're facing when upgrading hoarder. All the releases since launch has been backward compatible, and it has always been just a matter of updating the docker images.
Also for searches, Hoarder indexes all the content of the websites it crawls. If it doesn't for you then that would be a bug!
Is it just bookmarks or does it download full pages?
Bookmark applications are generally a failure for long term storage because links always change over time.. so i'm not sure what lense to look at this app through.
I use Evernote since what, 2005, 2008? Yet I hate every time I start it up. Such ugly bloatware it has become. And the silly “AI powered” features tacked on when it became fashionable… Man, replacing it would feel so good.
I replaced Evernote with Joplin about 5ish years ago. It was super easy in my case, so maybe it's worth checking into. I haven't used the desktop app recently, but it was always snappier than evernote at the very least.
I use Obsidian for note-taking and personal knowledge management. I haven't used "save for later" bookmarklets or apps since I quit using Evernote many years ago, though.
If people are interested it was featured hear on HN a day or two ago but Obsidian released an extension called Obsidian Clipper that can save webpages in markdown format.
https://github.com/obsidianmd/obsidian-clipper
- Pocket for bookmarking.
- Onenote for longer form less structured note taking on copied/linked base material or needing exposition (somewhat reluctantly). Occasionally Word.
- Anything/Jetbrains : Markdown for short form or dev docsor with intuitively clear sub-structure or heirarchy. (Pseudo)Code and comments for simple codable ideas, python-like.
- Scapple for mind-mapping high level concepts, collections of related ideas or things, associations rather than hierarchies
Been looking at these tools and honestly, my big issue is backup - specifically, I want a dead simple way to continuously back up my links to something like S3. Not really interested in relying on the Internet Archive or having to set up and babysit yet another backup system. is it like completely antithetical to the average self-hoster ethos to use the cloud where it makes sense?
I really like hoarder, but kind of surprised how many tools either totally skip over backup functionality or treat it as an afterthought (like this Hoarder issue here: https://github.com/hoarder-app/hoarder/issues/75). Feels like this should be a no-brainer feature, right?
If you're hosting it yourself, I would expect that you also make backups of your whole server and/or database if one is involved. A custom backup feature built into the app seems redundant.
Hoarder has been great. Was finally able to dump my annual $40 Pocket subscription. Auto tagging using LLM works well. Only issue I have is that mobile app doesn’t allow offline storage and viewing.
When I think hoarder, there’s a different app I want.
We’ve got a shed full of boxes and bags of stuff. Want an easy way to take pics of the contents of a box and the “box number” and be able to browse for the box or specific contents later. Eg a home archive solution.
Love this app. The only thing on my wishlist is a way to "discover" stuff I've bookmarked before when googling. So the extension would search Hoarder when I search Google (or wherever search engine) and give me a list of those next to my Google search or in the extension drop-down. I sometimes forget that I bookmarked a solution 3 weeks ago, and now I'm searching for that solution again.
I think Evernote had something like this when I was using it.
I've one I built called Cras. Store all my neat things I find on the web there. Recently turned it into a PWA so it's a share-target on my phone (Android) which is awesome.
It's self-hosted and all packed into SQLite so, IMO, very portable.
Recently added a trick to snapshot all the public links I save - my copy and on Archive.is - link rot is real.
I've been thinking about building a service that makes it easy to self host apps like this. I'm curious if you'd find it useful.
It would host webapps like yours that use in browser sqlite to store data, then the service provide a sync their sqlite data across different devices. The user not the app would pay for the storage of the data, so they would own their data. And you can use CSP to lock down the app from sharing with other domains, meaning an app can't leak your data.
The service would handle identity (only you can access your sqlite data - the app just ) and could provide an app store like experience with different apps of this type.
Sort of like a firebase style backend as a service, but the user would own the data instead of the app.
So far I love and am probably about to go all in, especially since you can bring your own "AI."
Relatedly (and I think the authors are working on it) anyone using local AI for tags and know good ways to tweak (I'm using Ollama and would love to constrain the the tags a bit?)
Hoarder supports customizing the tagging prompt in the user settings. You can instruct the model with whatever rules you want to constrain the tags to your likings!
I am using it since couple of months and it works really fine.
The UI is improved a lot since the first release.
Tagging is not the best, but it depends a lot on the AI response
I tried hoarder and I didn't like the way listed view works. I prefer the simplicity of the view provided by Linkding. I find hoarder new auto tagging with ollama something I want to use because I am lazy.
For references there are many options in selfhosted bookmarking apps market. These beside Hoarder are the most known software.
Linkwarden (https://github.com/linkwarden/linkwarden)
Shaarli (https://github.com/shaarli/Shaarli)
LinkAce (https://www.linkace.org/)
Linkding (https://github.com/sissbruecker/linkding)
Wallabag (https://wallabag.org/)
Shiori (https://github.com/go-shiori/shiori)
When I use a tool like this one of the most important things is that it works offline so I can read something in a plane or on the go.
I've looked into most of these (and instapaper, pocket, etc) and ultimately found Wallabag to be the best. However, their app is quite buggy and site is fairly clunky for my taste. Luckily there's a pretty recent 3rd party client that works offline super well and is on Mac/Linux/android/iOS for free (yay flutter) https://github.com/casimir/frigoligo
Also, I'll note that it's basically a must to use the browser extension with the option to download via what the browser sees if you get content from a lot of sites. That being said the devs are super responsive to reports that sites aren't being scraped appropriately.
My biggest wish is that they supported YouTube (at least titles) and they had a way to indicate when a article needs to be scraped client side.
Now that I think about it, maybe I can write a little side script to fetch the YouTube titles and update it.
Why is Wallabag better than pocket?
thanks for the app recomendation, didnt know about it yet..
regarding youtube, my youtube links saved with wallabager browser extension always show the correct title, are you using something else to save them?
One thing that I've been looking for in these, and I seem to recall few have this:
Public mode? I'd like people to NOT have to log in.
Seems like the tag system is flat, which is a big limitation on the organization capability.
For example, I noticed that in the demo access app, there's a note about cooking, and it has 4 tags: - `baking` - `cupcakes` - `oven cooking` - `recipe`
This would get out of hand quickly.
There should be a hierarchy of tags (categories): `cupcakes` in `baking` in `oven cooking` in `recipe`
The only tag needed in this case for the note would be `cupcakes`
Hi there! I am extremely glad to read someone else write about this necessity!
I own and operate a "list-taking" app[0] in which every list/kanban-item can itself be a list/kanban.
I currently use it for things I'm the creator of -- tasks, story outlines, etc, but looking to introduce 3rd party content for task management (I want to see GitHub tasks from work next to my own tasks) and, as you say, knowledge management of things like recipes or music.
Items could be part of one or multiple hierarchies. A list of "cake" recipes could be under both "baking" and "party essentials", and music playlists could include other playlists.
As you can tell, this can become convoluted in my mind, and so if that's something that's interesting to you (or anyone reading this), please reach out and let's discuss! hn at nestful.app
[0] https://nestful.app
I may have come across your app before in passing, but hadn't checked it out. I playtested aspects of a "productivity system" (grain of salt) with paper earlier this year.
"Spontaneous productivity" mirrors some of my own thinking on the subject, especially the JIT and bubbling aspects and how they work together. I haven't seen how it works in the case of Nestful, but I'm keen to try it out. It may adjust the design principles guiding development.
The tagging system is indeed flat, but the lists can be nested. The idea being that tags are usually AI generated, and there's a lot of them (which is useful for search), but lists are meant for manual curation and this is where you can have whatever structure you want.
Happy to see that you have considered this
IMO it would be interesting to try to combine the two approaches (curation + auto tagging).
It starts out with the user scaffolding an initial hierarchy, then (after enough usage to provide meaningful data for ML predictions) the ML model predicts on subsequent entries, and asks the user for approval (which feeds a reinforcement learning model)
This is indeed the plan. We're currently working on generating embeddings for the all the bookmarks stored, and one of the usecases of this is going to be clustering. If a bookmark is similar to all other bookmarks in a list, the model can suggest adding those bookmarks to the list. Still a manual operation, but with ML assistance.
i feel this feature is not quite needed in the age of AI
Hoarder's maintainer here! What a nice surprise seeing Hoarder on the homepage of hackernews!
I must ask, in your github readme you say "[Planned] Downloading the content for offline reading." but what does that mean in the context of a self hosted application? Isn't the data already downloaded - via the other features such as "Full page archival" and "Automatic fetching".
I guess one small request - could the chrome/firefox extension include a way to transfer the page data from the browser, as it's being displayed to the user? (as in, transfer the entire page/html instead of the page's link). This would likely result in much better support for nasty sites like twitter and such that require credentials, etc..!
I've saved ~50k .webarchive files from Safari in a single folder, indexed via Spotlight — not an archivist's dream, but I'm a sucker for using anything in the OS stack.
Hoarder has a chrome plugin, Firefox addon, and apps for Android and iOS for which the app store says something I’ve never seen before:
“Data Not Collected — The developer does not collect any data from this app.”
Noice.
This looks cool
*bookmarks it in huge Trello list where cool bookmarks go to die*
I use it for months now.
It's very good. Some points that can be improved:
- Search inside the description of the bookmark, it doesn't. - Update to a new version of hoarder. Since the software isn't stable, it's a real problem. - Related to the previous point => More archive formats.
Otherwise, it's a very good software. Easy to use, nice front-end, good UX.
Is there an official upgrade path available between versions, or do they currently break things without providing migration?
Hey, Hoarder's maintainer here. I'd like to know more about the pain you're facing when upgrading hoarder. All the releases since launch has been backward compatible, and it has always been just a matter of updating the docker images.
Also for searches, Hoarder indexes all the content of the websites it crawls. If it doesn't for you then that would be a bug!
Different user here, all of my upgrades have been completely seamless.
anyone know how this compares to archivebox?
Is it just bookmarks or does it download full pages?
Bookmark applications are generally a failure for long term storage because links always change over time.. so i'm not sure what lense to look at this app through.
It does allow content retrieval so it does save local copy. And allow even downloading videos using yt-dl.
Anyone using this as an Evernote replacement?
I use Evernote since what, 2005, 2008? Yet I hate every time I start it up. Such ugly bloatware it has become. And the silly “AI powered” features tacked on when it became fashionable… Man, replacing it would feel so good.
I use Joplin since I left Evernote. They have an import for evernote https://joplinapp.org/
I replaced Evernote with Joplin about 5ish years ago. It was super easy in my case, so maybe it's worth checking into. I haven't used the desktop app recently, but it was always snappier than evernote at the very least.
I use Obsidian for note-taking and personal knowledge management. I haven't used "save for later" bookmarklets or apps since I quit using Evernote many years ago, though.
If people are interested it was featured hear on HN a day or two ago but Obsidian released an extension called Obsidian Clipper that can save webpages in markdown format. https://github.com/obsidianmd/obsidian-clipper
Can this plugin work for Chrome on Android? Does anyone have a recommendation for bookmarking and/or webclips on Android?
I use it when I need to get a table or something from a webpage. Works really well for small stuff.
I didn't know this existed for obsidian! This is perfect for me. Thanks for sharing
Not sure hoarder is a direct replacement for evernote. As a former long time evernote note user I replaced it with https://notesnook.com
- Pocket for bookmarking. - Onenote for longer form less structured note taking on copied/linked base material or needing exposition (somewhat reluctantly). Occasionally Word. - Anything/Jetbrains : Markdown for short form or dev docsor with intuitively clear sub-structure or heirarchy. (Pseudo)Code and comments for simple codable ideas, python-like. - Scapple for mind-mapping high level concepts, collections of related ideas or things, associations rather than hierarchies
I use it exactly that way and publish an RSS feed of my archives: https://enlace.space/~erik/rss.xml
Been looking at these tools and honestly, my big issue is backup - specifically, I want a dead simple way to continuously back up my links to something like S3. Not really interested in relying on the Internet Archive or having to set up and babysit yet another backup system. is it like completely antithetical to the average self-hoster ethos to use the cloud where it makes sense?
I really like hoarder, but kind of surprised how many tools either totally skip over backup functionality or treat it as an afterthought (like this Hoarder issue here: https://github.com/hoarder-app/hoarder/issues/75). Feels like this should be a no-brainer feature, right?
If you're hosting it yourself, I would expect that you also make backups of your whole server and/or database if one is involved. A custom backup feature built into the app seems redundant.
Hoarder has been great. Was finally able to dump my annual $40 Pocket subscription. Auto tagging using LLM works well. Only issue I have is that mobile app doesn’t allow offline storage and viewing.
These types of projects always look really cool, but I always doubt they will be maintained so I decide not to use them.
Does it really matter if it's simple to export your data and then import to another bookmark manager?
I have to agree. I've been using standard notes, and honestly, will probably end up just paying for it.
When I think hoarder, there’s a different app I want.
We’ve got a shed full of boxes and bags of stuff. Want an easy way to take pics of the contents of a box and the “box number” and be able to browse for the box or specific contents later. Eg a home archive solution.
Anyone know of tools for that?
Inventree or homebox are what you want.
Love this app. The only thing on my wishlist is a way to "discover" stuff I've bookmarked before when googling. So the extension would search Hoarder when I search Google (or wherever search engine) and give me a list of those next to my Google search or in the extension drop-down. I sometimes forget that I bookmarked a solution 3 weeks ago, and now I'm searching for that solution again.
I think Evernote had something like this when I was using it.
I haven't tried Hoarder yet, but Linkding has a linkding-injector extension that does this. It's pretty useful.
I've one I built called Cras. Store all my neat things I find on the web there. Recently turned it into a PWA so it's a share-target on my phone (Android) which is awesome.
It's self-hosted and all packed into SQLite so, IMO, very portable.
Recently added a trick to snapshot all the public links I save - my copy and on Archive.is - link rot is real.
I've been thinking about building a service that makes it easy to self host apps like this. I'm curious if you'd find it useful.
It would host webapps like yours that use in browser sqlite to store data, then the service provide a sync their sqlite data across different devices. The user not the app would pay for the storage of the data, so they would own their data. And you can use CSP to lock down the app from sharing with other domains, meaning an app can't leak your data.
The service would handle identity (only you can access your sqlite data - the app just ) and could provide an app store like experience with different apps of this type.
Sort of like a firebase style backend as a service, but the user would own the data instead of the app.
Is that what pikapods is? I ask out of ignorance, not "somebody is already doing that".
So far I love and am probably about to go all in, especially since you can bring your own "AI."
Relatedly (and I think the authors are working on it) anyone using local AI for tags and know good ways to tweak (I'm using Ollama and would love to constrain the the tags a bit?)
Hoarder supports customizing the tagging prompt in the user settings. You can instruct the model with whatever rules you want to constrain the tags to your likings!
FYI the demo’s login credentials are case sensitive for the email field (when they probably shouldn’t be?).
I am using it since couple of months and it works really fine. The UI is improved a lot since the first release. Tagging is not the best, but it depends a lot on the AI response
I just boookmarked this into a “figure out where to put this later” folder, then realized the irony of that action.
Went to my para system "0 - Inbox".
How do you manage restrictions on Reddit and X?
It's using a chrome instance to access JS enabled sites.
really cool!