If you keep watching there's another feature that actually generates video ideas, scripts, and even thumbnails for video creators.
Seems really grim- what is the actual good-faith rationale for using this feature? It seems like the only use case is to trick people into thinking they're having a real interaction.
The models themselves are going to be replaced by those same AI Impersonators. Onlyfans has to be the most predatory service I have ever used. You are pretty much signing up to be a target of scammers, whether they be some kids in the Philippines sitting with 20 phones, or AI bots, it has become incredibly obvious that every creator uses them. They all employ the same tactic of seeing how much you are willing to pay and then increasingly offering you more and more expensive content. A few years ago you could have some real conversations but now it is just glorified spam. Even if a creator wasn’t using these tactics, the water has been so muddied that you just assume it’s all fake now.
This feels representative of our times: Using chatbots to power a gig economy of para-social relationships for lonely people short on real in-person interactions.
I hope I don’t come off as offensive asking this, but is there really that much of a difference? I’m not a fan of services which prey on peoples loneliness, but isn’t the defining feature or these para-social relationship platforms that they are all make-belief? Maybe I’m wrong, but it’s very hard for me to imagine that you could form any sort of relationship with the thousands of lonely people who pay you money to notice them. Hell, they must have some impressive note taking strategies to remember it all. An AI might end up being more engaging and personal.
Surely the motivation for paying for this pornography is precisely the somehow more "human" "closeness" of a known individual creating content on a direct, "personal" basis.
It's not quite the-Queen-is-my-friend levels of parasocial but it does seem to be about intimacy.
What happens to that business model if customers paying on that basis realise they are seeing & talking to a bot? Seems quite footshooty.
A friend of mine ran a management company for a couple years, and indicated that with the talent they managed, it was almost never the actual person responding to DMs.
The outsourced the interactions to third world "typists" that took care of it.
This is just an evolution of that, and probably provides a better experience, since they're able to tailor the model in a way that someone speaking English as a second language never could.
The monetization of social and parasocial relationships (from advertising in social media to the industry around influencers and celebrities of all types) might be one of the cruelest things in modern capitalism.
I was working on exactly such a project in 2022. It was scrapped because there is too much risk in LLM accidentally violating OF rules, which immediately results in losing a very valuable account.
OnlyFans is an interesting paradox of the "consenting adults" ethic. On one hand it triggers the disgust reflex. Yet people avoid criticizing OF to avoid seeming prude.
You will feel better just saying what you feel. Intuition does exist.
OnlyFans might want to look into the legal implications.
I could imagine a class action law suit where the company is sued for fraud on the basis that it is selling real interactions with models.
OnlyFans user should know better, but you could make the case they were defrauded for services (in this case, interaction with the model).
Here's a technical podcast interview with someone who is doing this: https://www.latent.space/p/nsfw-chatbots
It starts feeling pretty weird when he starts talking about conversations where someone spends $1000.
YouTube provides its creators LLM-generated replies right in the interface, apparently trained on some of the creator's actual replies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26QHXElgrl8
If you keep watching there's another feature that actually generates video ideas, scripts, and even thumbnails for video creators.
Seems really grim- what is the actual good-faith rationale for using this feature? It seems like the only use case is to trick people into thinking they're having a real interaction.
The models themselves are going to be replaced by those same AI Impersonators. Onlyfans has to be the most predatory service I have ever used. You are pretty much signing up to be a target of scammers, whether they be some kids in the Philippines sitting with 20 phones, or AI bots, it has become incredibly obvious that every creator uses them. They all employ the same tactic of seeing how much you are willing to pay and then increasingly offering you more and more expensive content. A few years ago you could have some real conversations but now it is just glorified spam. Even if a creator wasn’t using these tactics, the water has been so muddied that you just assume it’s all fake now.
Looks like Wired lurks here, this was posted in an Ask Reddit thread yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42376682
This feels representative of our times: Using chatbots to power a gig economy of para-social relationships for lonely people short on real in-person interactions.
I hope I don’t come off as offensive asking this, but is there really that much of a difference? I’m not a fan of services which prey on peoples loneliness, but isn’t the defining feature or these para-social relationship platforms that they are all make-belief? Maybe I’m wrong, but it’s very hard for me to imagine that you could form any sort of relationship with the thousands of lonely people who pay you money to notice them. Hell, they must have some impressive note taking strategies to remember it all. An AI might end up being more engaging and personal.
How long until the most popular Only Fans creators are fully AI?
I could see these pseudorelations, which are already mediated by so much fakery, just continue to evolve in that direction?
Maybe everyone gets their own OnlyFan creators which are tailored/adapt to their personal desires?
In the future all of this is AI generated, multimedia, tailored to your wants, available and fresh 24/7.
Someone in the “side projects making $500+ per month” thread yesterday said they have a business doing this
Well the people signed up to talk to a model..
Surely the motivation for paying for this pornography is precisely the somehow more "human" "closeness" of a known individual creating content on a direct, "personal" basis.
It's not quite the-Queen-is-my-friend levels of parasocial but it does seem to be about intimacy.
What happens to that business model if customers paying on that basis realise they are seeing & talking to a bot? Seems quite footshooty.
I always use AI impersonator to DM my favourite OnlyFans models.
Previously:
I Went Undercover as a Secret OnlyFans Chatter (wired.com) 32 points 6 months ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40391797
A comment on another thread claimed the author was getting $15K/month with one of these bots: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42376682
A friend of mine ran a management company for a couple years, and indicated that with the talent they managed, it was almost never the actual person responding to DMs.
The outsourced the interactions to third world "typists" that took care of it.
This is just an evolution of that, and probably provides a better experience, since they're able to tailor the model in a way that someone speaking English as a second language never could.
The monetization of social and parasocial relationships (from advertising in social media to the industry around influencers and celebrities of all types) might be one of the cruelest things in modern capitalism.
eventually, other AI bots will be the only fans left
a trully automatic economy
lol - imagine paying for that one OF creator that earns $40M/year and just get canned responses from Character AI.
I was working on exactly such a project in 2022. It was scrapped because there is too much risk in LLM accidentally violating OF rules, which immediately results in losing a very valuable account.
i wonder how they get around the heavy censorship that most flagship LLM use. I was assuming that they were outsourcing to lower-wage countries
“Hi, I’m NG Resonance. What would you like to talk about?”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F2Fwb8OrvSw&pp=ygUMbmcgcmVzb25...
That’s hilarious.
porn and santa are mostly fake
simps are subhuman.
OnlyFans is an interesting paradox of the "consenting adults" ethic. On one hand it triggers the disgust reflex. Yet people avoid criticizing OF to avoid seeming prude.
You will feel better just saying what you feel. Intuition does exist.
What a horrifying time to be alive.
Exactly zero major OF models handle their own messages anyway. They used hired humans or 3rd party services for that.
I think OF itself lets you send "personal" mass messages with something like "Hey, $name, I've missed you. Here, pay $100 to see a single picture"
Dunno how thick do you have to be to believe the message was sent only to you and none of the other 10000 subscribers...