Eventually we can also decouple scheduling meetings and reading summaries from humans. And then we can all spend time working instead of in meetings.
The robots can archive all their summaries, and have follow up meetings to track status of action points they invented. As long as they do not bother humans it will be a great boon to productivity.
It is gonna be great when everyone sends their AI avatars to these meetings. Just LLM models talking to each other. Would be interesting to see what kind of output such meetings would generate.
Or, you know, humans could just get their shit together and use asynchronous communication channels in the first place.
Using AI for this is like a trying to solve a self-created problem. If human meeting culture would have just used an issue tracker and e.g. emails for this, this all would not have been necessary.
Human meeting culture exists only because the tools for synchronizing states is so bad in its UX/UI that there is no better way to do it. If Teams would have had a better UX, they would not have needed AI bots/avatars for this problem.
I do prefer a robot standing in instead of me to fulfill the little power trip calling attendance. There is little reason the updates cannot be async in text or via the JIRA tickets I already have to do. A robot could add in pull request data too.
But it doesn't need to be my voice. It in fact should be illegal for Microsoft to use my voice for training without my express consent, and even then they must delete all models and data about it when requested. And it should be illegal for an employer to request or expect it.
"My voice is my passport" (quote from some action movie). They claim that they do not store biometric data. For now. Wait until the next rug pull where they'll claim that your voice and all conversations belong to them.
Which raises the question: What happens on all the "free" communication platforms like Google Meet and so on? Are the conversations recorded and mined?
The data collection business Salesforce had an "AI" meeting summary feature already years ago.
The AI hype is so strong that they're rolling out a feature to forge people's voices BEFORE they roll out the feature to sign your own voice cryptographically.
People were naive enough to upload their personal details and pictures to Facebook/Tinder/Google over a decade ago without any cryptographic signing.
What makes you think they won't make the same mistake again with their voice? You just have to bait people with features of convenience in return for their data.
> I know it's only for translation now but how long until "copilot" joins meetings on my behalf?
Well, they have my voice (Teams), they have my image and biometrics (Windows Hello for business), they know everything i do a the computer (Recall) so they can replace me with an AI.
Just think at the next headlines: Microsoft increases the price of Office 365 bundling a new feature: virtual employees.
Then we hold virtual meetings where virtual managers create PowerPoint slides with AI and virtual employees "listen" and in the end AI summarizes everything into something no one will ever read? :D
While grey goo is about matter, this appears to be a grey energy scenario: one where machines run amok eating all possible energy in an exponential feedback loop of uselessness, driving civilisations to oblivion.
While the civilisations are long-gone, they build up the Kardashev ladder for the sole purpose of producing more of nothing.
Finally, all cosmic resources being expanded, they shut down. It is unknown whether in a brief flash of self-awareness, realising the meaninglessness of their purpose, the machines commited suicide.
I’d much rather have meetings go full Discord. A chat room is easier to deal with when you’re busy and trying to multitask. Having to drop everything and interact in a rigidly structured audiovisual format feels very constraining and counterproductive these days. A properly trained AI could stand in for you as needed.
> clone their voices so they can have their sound-alikes speak to others in meetings in different languages
Yeah, no. Automatic text translation is "ok" but automatic translation direct into a work meeting in your voice? Enjoy your HR meetings and lawsuit for unfair dismissal based on botched translation.
This is actually great.
If we can get only AIs to take meetings we can save a lot of work in offices.
Zoom has the same dream: https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/3/24168733/zoom-ceo-ai-clone...
Eventually we can also decouple scheduling meetings and reading summaries from humans. And then we can all spend time working instead of in meetings.
The robots can archive all their summaries, and have follow up meetings to track status of action points they invented. As long as they do not bother humans it will be a great boon to productivity.
It is gonna be great when everyone sends their AI avatars to these meetings. Just LLM models talking to each other. Would be interesting to see what kind of output such meetings would generate.
Isn't that essentially the stock market trading floor scene?
Or, you know, humans could just get their shit together and use asynchronous communication channels in the first place.
Using AI for this is like a trying to solve a self-created problem. If human meeting culture would have just used an issue tracker and e.g. emails for this, this all would not have been necessary.
Human meeting culture exists only because the tools for synchronizing states is so bad in its UX/UI that there is no better way to do it. If Teams would have had a better UX, they would not have needed AI bots/avatars for this problem.
Although due to Poe's law I'm unsure if GP was earnest, I elected to read it with a /s modifier.
To add to this, anti-social assholes who kill team jive tend to hide from responsibility with e-mails. Even when it needs to be a meeting.
They need to be dragged out of their comfort zone kicking-and-screaming for public display for the pleasure of others.
I'm a bit hesitant to give my voice away to really any company. Is it really that much of a stretch to imagine the ways this could go wrong?
There's tech that can do a reasonable approximation using a sample a couple of seconds long.
Any control over that is going to be through social and legal mechanisms, it isn't going to work to try to prevent access to the needed data.
I do prefer a robot standing in instead of me to fulfill the little power trip calling attendance. There is little reason the updates cannot be async in text or via the JIRA tickets I already have to do. A robot could add in pull request data too.
But it doesn't need to be my voice. It in fact should be illegal for Microsoft to use my voice for training without my express consent, and even then they must delete all models and data about it when requested. And it should be illegal for an employer to request or expect it.
"My voice is my passport" (quote from some action movie). They claim that they do not store biometric data. For now. Wait until the next rug pull where they'll claim that your voice and all conversations belong to them.
Which raises the question: What happens on all the "free" communication platforms like Google Meet and so on? Are the conversations recorded and mined?
The data collection business Salesforce had an "AI" meeting summary feature already years ago.
The quote is from “sneakers” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sneakers_(1992_film) which is actually a fantastic film.
HSBC (a bank where I have some CD accounts) requires me to shout “my voice is my password” to authenticate whenever I call them.
Microsoft keeps creating the best tools for phishing.
The AI hype is so strong that they're rolling out a feature to forge people's voices BEFORE they roll out the feature to sign your own voice cryptographically.
People were naive enough to upload their personal details and pictures to Facebook/Tinder/Google over a decade ago without any cryptographic signing.
What makes you think they won't make the same mistake again with their voice? You just have to bait people with features of convenience in return for their data.
There's a reason history keeps repeating itself.
Would be very interested in trying an English-to-English mode to wash away my ESL accent.
Is this something that people are clamouring for?
How many of y'all would be using this?
Reminds me of this: https://youtu.be/rYaZ57Bn4pQ
It was a joke video from the onion about outsourcing their own jobs to India. This is kinda the same but with AI.
I know it's only for translation now but how long until "copilot" joins meetings on my behalf?
Real life, but China instead of India: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-21043693
Only tangentially related, but hustle culture meets remote work: https://www.reddit.com/r/overemployed
This is a great comment. Apart from a phishing tool, this is an outsourcing tool.
Remember that we need more people to learn how to code (the corporate nonsense that many developers here and elsewhere amplified in 2018)!
> I know it's only for translation now but how long until "copilot" joins meetings on my behalf?
Well, they have my voice (Teams), they have my image and biometrics (Windows Hello for business), they know everything i do a the computer (Recall) so they can replace me with an AI.
Just think at the next headlines: Microsoft increases the price of Office 365 bundling a new feature: virtual employees.
>virtual employees
Then we hold virtual meetings where virtual managers create PowerPoint slides with AI and virtual employees "listen" and in the end AI summarizes everything into something no one will ever read? :D
> something no one will ever read?
No, they train the next LLM on it.
While grey goo is about matter, this appears to be a grey energy scenario: one where machines run amok eating all possible energy in an exponential feedback loop of uselessness, driving civilisations to oblivion.
While the civilisations are long-gone, they build up the Kardashev ladder for the sole purpose of producing more of nothing.
Finally, all cosmic resources being expanded, they shut down. It is unknown whether in a brief flash of self-awareness, realising the meaninglessness of their purpose, the machines commited suicide.
If the meetig consists only of copilots then, I might be fine with it
AGI? It's either a few days or a thousand year away.
Nice option to have, can't wait until they expand it to more commonly used languages of the world.
They were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should -- Dr. Ian Malcolm
I’d much rather have meetings go full Discord. A chat room is easier to deal with when you’re busy and trying to multitask. Having to drop everything and interact in a rigidly structured audiovisual format feels very constraining and counterproductive these days. A properly trained AI could stand in for you as needed.
> clone their voices so they can have their sound-alikes speak to others in meetings in different languages
Yeah, no. Automatic text translation is "ok" but automatic translation direct into a work meeting in your voice? Enjoy your HR meetings and lawsuit for unfair dismissal based on botched translation.
Or the other way around — enjoy swearing and be mean during the calls saying “it’s just a botched translation”.
I wonder if this could help with pronouncing words in other languages. That's always been hard for me