Linux kernel 6.12 has been released

(lwn.net)

118 points | by nitinreddy88 7 hours ago ago

24 comments

  • drmpeg 4 hours ago

    This will also be an LTS (Long-Term Support) release.

  • gigatexal 2 hours ago

    Really good podcast on why this is an exciting release: https://youtu.be/6J3Ym0XkZDw

    • chx an hour ago

      Is there something I could read instead of listening to an hour plus long podcast?

      • teleforce 44 minutes ago

        Linux 6.12 Preps For Release With Real-Time, Sched_Ext, Stable Xe2 & Raspberry Pi 5:

        https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-6.12-Feature-Reminder

        • kid64 18 minutes ago

          I don't get the Raspberry Pi part. Prior kernel versions already run on that device?

          • rcxdude 7 minutes ago

            Not mainline. Distros that support Rpi ship a fork of the kernel

      • usr1106 44 minutes ago

        The kernel newbies link in TFA is usually worth reading, albeit a bit technical / low level. (Haven't done it yet and haven't followed the kernel recently, so cannot comment how complete it is this time / at the moment)

  • gigatexal 4 hours ago

    eBPF powered custom schedulers aka SCHED_EXT and the preempt RT stuff sound really nice.

  • rurban 4 hours ago

    So why do minor releases get major bumps, and major releases line this only minor bumps? Even kids on the playground get more consistency.

    • aorth 4 hours ago

      A new major release of the Linux kernel happens every ~8 weeks. There are usually 7 or 8 release candidates (-rc1, rc2, etc) released on successive Sundays during that period, followed by a release of the major version. That's the workflow the Linux kernel has used for years.

    • bonzini 4 hours ago

      There's no minor and major. All releases are equivalent but the first number is bumper when the second becomes large enough, which happens every 2-3 years.

      • yjftsjthsd-h 3 hours ago

        In fairness, that is a weird versioning scheme, and I really do wish that Linux either switched to full semver (in which case it'd be version 2.9000.0 or so by now) or just drop the leading digit and go full build number kinda like NT does. But as cousin comments note, not my project not my call:)

        • usr1106 an hour ago

          Full semver is an illusion. It's often debatable what is a new feature (we support a previously unsupported functionality) vs. what is a bug fix (it did not work correctly before).

          Also what is a non-compatible change is not always clear. Did the user do it wrong in their existing code or did the project make an incompatible change?

          The kernel has said for long times that they don't make incompatible changes. We don't break user space as they say. So you could prefix their numbers with an imaginary "1.". Of course sometimes opinions vary, whether a change breaks userspace or breaks wrong code.

          That said the kernel numbering scheme is weird. Increasing the first digit after 19 *or* 20 is less logical than imperial units.

        • homebrewer 2 hours ago

          What for? Every kernel release is equal as far as maintainers are concerned, the list of features that go in depends on what is ready in time. They would have to change release processes significantly to accommodate "major versions", and I don't think they would want to do that.

          Also, the kernel doesn't really have an external kernel API, the user API is supposed to be 100% stable, and its internal kAPI is nobody else's business, so there's one less reason for semver.

          • CorrectHorseBat an hour ago

            Why then confuse users with the first dot? The second dot having a meaning makes it even more confusing. Just drop the first dot like Chrome and Firefox did.

            • ithinkso an hour ago

              As the comment above stated - so that the numbers don't grow too large

              • CorrectHorseBat 35 minutes ago

                But why does that matter? They are as large as they are, a dot in between doesn't change that.

                The only thing I can imagine is trying not to break scripts looking at the kernel version and expecting two dots. If that's the case it makes more sense to use the OpenBSD way and increase after 9.

                • bdhcuidbebe 18 minutes ago

                  Kernel version scheme has been bikeshedded for decades already, See LKML if you want to contribute further

        • nolist_policy 3 hours ago

          I like qemu's version scheme were the major version increases every year (since version 4.0). So x.1 the first release in a year and you can see from a quick glance how "old" a version is.

          • yjftsjthsd-h 2 hours ago

            I don't mind date-based versions, though if you're going to do that I feel like it'd be easier to go all the way? I can't tell how old qemu 4.0 is, but even without knowing details I would feel pretty confident in roughly when a hypothetical qemu-2024.1 had been released.

          • dessimus an hour ago

            I would think most if not all of the enterprise distros would object as generally they lock their kernel versions for the duration of a "release" lifecycle and backport security fixes from newer kernels to the version they chose.

            They wouldn't want users thinking they were still using a "2024" kernel in 2032, for example, when they have 10+ years of support to provide.

        • fuoqi 20 minutes ago

          Yeah, I wish they have just used dates for user-facing releases. At least, it would contain some useful information.

      • perlgeek an hour ago

        For regular releases without semver, I'd slightly prefer a version number that contained the year (and possibly month), like Ubuntu does it. Gives immediate feeling for how old (or young) a version is.

    • blueflow 42 minutes ago

      Linux uses their own versioning scheme of Version/Patchlevel/Sublevel. See their Makefile.

      Despite the sibling comments (and wikipedia), the major/minor terminology is not used.