My feedback is that a "front page photo" is a very high bar and most of the images fall well below what deserves the space. I would avoid:
- boilerplate page previews for e.g. github
- generic site logos e.g. arxiv, aide
- stock images and ai equivalents e.g. the models in suits stuff
- "decorative" images e.g. prime number
- author photos
- hate autoplaying gifs in this context. Very distracting. They might be great content better "play on demand" for me
Images work better when it's a relevant and a unique visual e.g. the gladiators for the history article or the cockroach but they are still are not really front-page material.
To truly earn their place, an image has to add information above and beyond the text. Identifying when an article is actually about an image e.g. space photo, data visualisation etc. would add some real value to the presentation.
I made this to experiment with embeddings and explore how different ways of displaying information affect your perception.
It gets the top 100 stories, sends their html to GPT-4 to extract the main content (this was not producing good enough results with html parsing) and then gets an embedding using the title and content.
Likes/dislikes are stored in local storage and compared against all stories using cosine similarity to find the most relevant stories.
It costs about $10/day to run. I was thinking of offering additional value for a small subscription. Maybe more pages of the newspaper, full story content/comments, a weekly digest or ePub export or something?
I think some of the highest value from HN comes from the comments, and it's much harder to find the "best" ones, since they might be in threads you might not have otherwise read.
Not sure if it's a "premium feature" so to speak, but would be very cool to extend this to comments generally.
> Likes/dislikes are stored in local storage and compared against all stories using cosine similarity to find the most relevant stories.
You're referring to using the embeddings for cosine similarity?
I am doing something similar with stocks. Taking several decades worth of 10-Q statements for a majority of stocks and weighted ETF holdings and using an autoencoder to generate embeddings that I run cosine and euclidean algorithms on via Rust WASM.
Nice – I like this a lot. I feel like I'd use this for slow-lane reading and the original HN site when I'm in a rush.
Regarding HTML to GPT-4, I seem to remember commenters here saying they got better results by converting the HTML to Markdown first, then sending to an LLM. Might save a bit of money too.
This doesn't look like a print newspaper. Print newspapers are much denser (in general) and have different headline sizes to emphasize the editor's choice of stories. This looks like a corporate blog home page or something. Some people will like this presentation; I'm pretty happy with HN as it is. But congratulations on shipping!
I kept it running for 5 or 10 years but eventually let it die.
edit: I'm not hating on OP btw. their version has pics, which mine doesn't. just agreeing that I believe the visual hierarchy inherent to newspaper title design is an important benefit of the format.
I’ve been running https://dailypopulous.com/ for years which is basically this but for general news. It generates a static paper edition every 6 hours from the most popular news links on social media with archives of all previous editions available.
Thanks for the feedback! Print newspaper's have curation, which this lacks. I guess the main thing it takes from newspapers is the image and blurb that help give you a preview of the story.
A few years ago, a similar project was posted on HN that I thought was really cool too - E Ink smart screen puts a newspaper on your wall (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22831323).
As the son of two journalists (one was an editor) news-editing and layout is a lot more than just using serif and playing with typography a bit
The closest thing I’ve found to something actually resembling a proper masthead’s layout would actually be this from HN a few months ago:
https://cybernetic.dev/grid
Balancing high information density and readability is the key to a proper layout. You’ve erred to far on minimalist “readability”
I’d suggest looking at older Indesign/Quark Express magazines if you want to see elements of publishing layouts done digitally
There’s going to be a great layout one day that fuses the news-editing with web, but this isn’t it
This is pretty cool, it’s nice to have a clean interface that puts more focus on individual posts (as articles here) rather than tons of headlines where I feel I skim over posts a lot more (particularly the post about Jupiter only caught my attention on your site, not the front page).
I’d like if there was some support for customising it without liking and disliking so I could push topics I’m interested in first (e.g. those tagged with emacs). It would also be nice to hide the like and dislike buttons in general as it gives more of a social media feel that the newspaper style UI does well to shake.
Hey HN,
I'm building a payment solution that lets customers buy directly from social media without leaving platforms like Instagram, Facebook, etc. So why do we all need this? There are millions of small and medium businesses and brands that can't establish an online presence, and most of them regularly use social media to post about their products.
I want to help these businesses. Instagram and Facebook have shopping features, but only for a few brands, and they are not available in many regions like India. India has the world's second most active social media users and millions of businesses trying to acquire customers using social media. I want users and buyers to be able to shop directly from posts without leaving the app. I want my payment model on these platforms to create more convenience for customers and reduce business costs.
So, if someone who has worked at Facebook, Instagram, or any other company has valuable advice for me, please share.
This is very nice! If you
- make it a pwa/web clip
- link to the discussions
- make the images colored again
I’d use it over the regular hacker news ui any day. I know your use case is printing it out, but it’s fantastic for usage on a tablet.
I guess you mean a digital newspaper with a layout inspired by print newspapers. It's definitely not a print newspaper, I know because I tried folding it in half to read on the train, and all that happened was my laptop screen broke.
There was an iOS app from practically a decade ago that did something very similar, but you could customize with RSS feeds, and it would turn it into a traditional looking newspaper.
Sadly, I can't remember the name of it but it was pretty great.
I liked this for two seconds; then all the pictures loaded in the browser window, and its usefulness to me plummeted. Similar to other commenters, I actually prefer text-only in this context; in particular, the first picture displayed just now was animated, and incredibly distracting.
I would probably use this or at least play with it extensively if not for this "feature." I find that, unlike "real" newspapers, leading images in blog posts and even much larger sites are frequently a net negative (a trend greatly worsened with the advent of AI image generators).
There’s a lot of negative commentary here, but this is the first HN alternative I’ve bookmarked. Yes lots could be improved, but I think the concept is nice! Thanks for making this!
A nice layout. For fun I attempted to actually print (to PDF) and boy was that messed up badly! Guessing that's not the type of "print" you had in mind. :)
I'm getting the an error of "Failed to fetch stories"
The console error is:
(index):464 Error loading stories: TypeError: Failed to construct 'URL': Invalid URL
at (index):482:36
at Array.forEach (<anonymous>)
at NewspaperApp.displayStories ((index):471:25)
at NewspaperApp.loadStories ((index):461:26)
at async NewspaperApp.initialize ((index):418:17)
Can anyone help? I really want to use this product it seems great.
Pretty cool. Like how the animated GIFs will play and the type and whitespace balance is pretty solid. Ever seen Paper-HN? A similar idea: https://www.wolfgangfaust.com/project/paper-hn/ - A fun detail that one has is when you mouseover their photos they go to colour.
This is the first time in a while I've experienced someone else making a design I have been thinking off, have it even somewhere in my ideas list, newspaper but a more "brutalism" design. I love this, great job!
A really cool project and I like the layout a lot. There a a few things that would be nice to be able to customize, like heading sizes and font, but on the whole this is great work.
If it's a "print" do not add changing images. Now we have on first slot "Passport Photos" story with plinking photos, which makes me wanna click X ASAP...
This is excellent! I've been using it all day. I do wish it was a bit denser (similar to Drudge Report), but the product is neat enough as is. Congrats!
It's reminiscent in some ways of Slashdot of yore, which would include a slug describing the submission. One of my more persistent issues with HN is that the 80-character-limit title gives parlous thin information on whether or not a submission is worth reading. Additional microcontent, even just another 120-240 characters (10--20 words or so) often helps greatly, and your project demonstrates this.
Auto-selecting slugs is of course itself somewhat fraught, one example on the front page of YourHackerNews as I write has a slug beginning "This website is using a security service to protect itself from online attacks. The action you just performed triggered the security solution...", which is probably not what you'd prefer: <https://www.tokyodev.com/articles/the-english-paradox-four-d...>.
I'm not a fan of animations as noted in another comment. The "Passport Photos" story has a hero image which animates: <https://maxsiedentopf.com/passport-photos/>. One option would be to permit removing an item entirely from the layout. Hitting "X" on a story does not presently do this. HN itself has "hide" feature accomplishing this.
In general, I would strongly caution against auto-including images from sites, particularly as those can be pathways to future abuse, including the appropriation of the image-hosting site by unsavoury content. I'd run across an example from an earlier HN submission a few months ago, of the ever-more-aptly named "ShadyURL": <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41002786>.
On layout: Traditional print newspapers aren't merely an assortment of articles, or a ranked placement of articles, but an edited presentation of them. There's usually a top story, of course, but gathered around those will be stories related to the primary feature. See a recent archive of the (online) NY Times homepage for an example: <https://archive.is/HO7xW>.
Layouts are also grouped by topical sections. Again the Times demonstrates this (top news, analysis, opinion, "the great read", "the athletic", "culture and lifestyle", etc. The Guardian similarly, with several news blocks for top news, "headlines", "in focus", "spotlight", "opinion", "sports", "climate crisis", etc.
HN's news breakdown differs, though looking at the submitted sites, title, and in your case the slug should give some options for largely-automated story placement. I've done my own analysis of HN front-pages, and came up with a list of 47 categories of sites with > 17 front-page appearances (and a great many more without), totaling 16,185 classified sites.
Categories: programming (7719), blog (5506), media (816), science (635), news (344), comm. (227), government (129), software (127), video (78), discussion (73), interest (72), design (60), database (57), cryptocurrency (49), law (41), cybersecurity (25), technology (25), commentary (24), recreation (23), hardware (22), medicine (15), documents (14), military (10), literature (9), economics (8), publications (8), list (7), crowdfunding (6), education (6), webcomic (6), (wiki) (5), books (5), info (5), entertainment (4), environment (4), journalism (4), organisations (3), support (3), information (2), translation (2), humour (1), images (1), n/a (1), networking (1), podcast (1), society (1), ui/ux (1).
(I can provide the classification file on request, username at protomail.com.)
That provides pretty comprehensive coverage of the actual stories submitted (I'd had the exact factor once, I believe it's in excess of 90%).
Again: parsing of the titles and/or slugs (perhaps with an AI assist?) could give better classification. Sites such as Lobsters (<https://lobste.rs>) include tags and often have similar submission selections to HN, which might also be used to organise placement.
Another characteristic of traditional layouts is that the horizontal line is reset periodically. If you look at the NYTimes, Guardian, or other traditional news sites you'll find frequent use of horizontal breaks. I don't know if this is a peculiarity of mine or not, but I find that card-style summaries which are not randomly aligned vertically on a page are much easier to read.
Nice!
My feedback is that a "front page photo" is a very high bar and most of the images fall well below what deserves the space. I would avoid:
Images work better when it's a relevant and a unique visual e.g. the gladiators for the history article or the cockroach but they are still are not really front-page material.To truly earn their place, an image has to add information above and beyond the text. Identifying when an article is actually about an image e.g. space photo, data visualisation etc. would add some real value to the presentation.
Agree. I think I'll stay in the OG site.
"Obscure person has died (with no explanation of why I should care)"
I made this to experiment with embeddings and explore how different ways of displaying information affect your perception.
It gets the top 100 stories, sends their html to GPT-4 to extract the main content (this was not producing good enough results with html parsing) and then gets an embedding using the title and content.
Likes/dislikes are stored in local storage and compared against all stories using cosine similarity to find the most relevant stories.
It costs about $10/day to run. I was thinking of offering additional value for a small subscription. Maybe more pages of the newspaper, full story content/comments, a weekly digest or ePub export or something?
I think some of the highest value from HN comes from the comments, and it's much harder to find the "best" ones, since they might be in threads you might not have otherwise read.
Not sure if it's a "premium feature" so to speak, but would be very cool to extend this to comments generally.
Why would it cost $10 a day?
It should not cost more than a dollar a day.
Take AWS and azure credits and run it for free for years
> Likes/dislikes are stored in local storage and compared against all stories using cosine similarity to find the most relevant stories.
You're referring to using the embeddings for cosine similarity?
I am doing something similar with stocks. Taking several decades worth of 10-Q statements for a majority of stocks and weighted ETF holdings and using an autoencoder to generate embeddings that I run cosine and euclidean algorithms on via Rust WASM.
Nice – I like this a lot. I feel like I'd use this for slow-lane reading and the original HN site when I'm in a rush.
Regarding HTML to GPT-4, I seem to remember commenters here saying they got better results by converting the HTML to Markdown first, then sending to an LLM. Might save a bit of money too.
This doesn't look like a print newspaper. Print newspapers are much denser (in general) and have different headline sizes to emphasize the editor's choice of stories. This looks like a corporate blog home page or something. Some people will like this presentation; I'm pretty happy with HN as it is. But congratulations on shipping!
I agree, but I'm biased. I built basically the same app as OP back in 2009 and it had different headline sizes like a newspaper:
https://github.com/gilesbowkett/hacker_newspaper/blob/master...
I kept it running for 5 or 10 years but eventually let it die.
edit: I'm not hating on OP btw. their version has pics, which mine doesn't. just agreeing that I believe the visual hierarchy inherent to newspaper title design is an important benefit of the format.
For the rest of the news in a more HN-like format (at least at the top level) you might like https://lite.cnn.com/
I’ve been running https://dailypopulous.com/ for years which is basically this but for general news. It generates a static paper edition every 6 hours from the most popular news links on social media with archives of all previous editions available.
That's a great observation actually! They should've made the design do that automatically based on story ranking
Thanks for the feedback! Print newspaper's have curation, which this lacks. I guess the main thing it takes from newspapers is the image and blurb that help give you a preview of the story.
Looking at the code everything is absolutely positioned, I would have expected to get a newspaper like flow to use Multi-column Layout
Looks super neat! I've had a longtime dream of working on a similar project, but I want to make it "Daily Prophet" styled, inspired by the Harry Potter series - https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Daily_Prophet?file=Daily.... With gifs and effects :)
A few years ago, a similar project was posted on HN that I thought was really cool too - E Ink smart screen puts a newspaper on your wall (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22831323).
As the son of two journalists (one was an editor) news-editing and layout is a lot more than just using serif and playing with typography a bit
The closest thing I’ve found to something actually resembling a proper masthead’s layout would actually be this from HN a few months ago: https://cybernetic.dev/grid
Balancing high information density and readability is the key to a proper layout. You’ve erred to far on minimalist “readability”
I’d suggest looking at older Indesign/Quark Express magazines if you want to see elements of publishing layouts done digitally
There’s going to be a great layout one day that fuses the news-editing with web, but this isn’t it
All I get is "Failed to load stories," am I doing something wrong? Is there something I need to configure before things will load?
Anyone remember "Hacker Monthly"? Years ago it was a monthly PDF with nicely laid out copies of popular articles that had been highly voted on here.
This is pretty cool, it’s nice to have a clean interface that puts more focus on individual posts (as articles here) rather than tons of headlines where I feel I skim over posts a lot more (particularly the post about Jupiter only caught my attention on your site, not the front page).
I’d like if there was some support for customising it without liking and disliking so I could push topics I’m interested in first (e.g. those tagged with emacs). It would also be nice to hide the like and dislike buttons in general as it gives more of a social media feel that the newspaper style UI does well to shake.
Hey HN, I'm building a payment solution that lets customers buy directly from social media without leaving platforms like Instagram, Facebook, etc. So why do we all need this? There are millions of small and medium businesses and brands that can't establish an online presence, and most of them regularly use social media to post about their products.
I want to help these businesses. Instagram and Facebook have shopping features, but only for a few brands, and they are not available in many regions like India. India has the world's second most active social media users and millions of businesses trying to acquire customers using social media. I want users and buyers to be able to shop directly from posts without leaving the app. I want my payment model on these platforms to create more convenience for customers and reduce business costs.
So, if someone who has worked at Facebook, Instagram, or any other company has valuable advice for me, please share.
How can I make this happen?
Will these platforms allow me to?
Thank you
Nice! I recently worked on a chrome extension that personalizes the frontpage based on embeddings.
https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/hn-explorer/amiaaon...
But that just redirects. It would be nicer to also fetch the text and media when you click on a title.
This is very nice! If you - make it a pwa/web clip - link to the discussions - make the images colored again I’d use it over the regular hacker news ui any day. I know your use case is printing it out, but it’s fantastic for usage on a tablet.
I guess you mean a digital newspaper with a layout inspired by print newspapers. It's definitely not a print newspaper, I know because I tried folding it in half to read on the train, and all that happened was my laptop screen broke.
Good attempt but from the title I thought it would look like an actual print news paper
There was an iOS app from practically a decade ago that did something very similar, but you could customize with RSS feeds, and it would turn it into a traditional looking newspaper.
Sadly, I can't remember the name of it but it was pretty great.
I liked this for two seconds; then all the pictures loaded in the browser window, and its usefulness to me plummeted. Similar to other commenters, I actually prefer text-only in this context; in particular, the first picture displayed just now was animated, and incredibly distracting.
I would probably use this or at least play with it extensively if not for this "feature." I find that, unlike "real" newspapers, leading images in blog posts and even much larger sites are frequently a net negative (a trend greatly worsened with the advent of AI image generators).
I would pay money, $1+ postage to maybe $5 + postage to physically print out tweet streams and other articles and mail them to some old people I know.
I'm thinking specifically of DieWorkwear on twitter, but others too.
There’s a lot of negative commentary here, but this is the first HN alternative I’ve bookmarked. Yes lots could be improved, but I think the concept is nice! Thanks for making this!
A nice layout. For fun I attempted to actually print (to PDF) and boy was that messed up badly! Guessing that's not the type of "print" you had in mind. :)
I'm getting the an error of "Failed to fetch stories"
The console error is: (index):464 Error loading stories: TypeError: Failed to construct 'URL': Invalid URL at (index):482:36 at Array.forEach (<anonymous>) at NewspaperApp.displayStories ((index):471:25) at NewspaperApp.loadStories ((index):461:26) at async NewspaperApp.initialize ((index):418:17)
Can anyone help? I really want to use this product it seems great.
Pretty cool. Like how the animated GIFs will play and the type and whitespace balance is pretty solid. Ever seen Paper-HN? A similar idea: https://www.wolfgangfaust.com/project/paper-hn/ - A fun detail that one has is when you mouseover their photos they go to colour.
For those who prefer scrolling to reading I guess.
This is the first time in a while I've experienced someone else making a design I have been thinking off, have it even somewhere in my ideas list, newspaper but a more "brutalism" design. I love this, great job!
I love it. Better UI in general. The only thing is how would I comment on a post? If it had that feature I would even maybe use this exclusively.
You could maybe just redirect to the comment page?
I would like to filter all of the HN pet language noise posts. Rust, Go, etc..
A really cool project and I like the layout a lot. There a a few things that would be nice to be able to customize, like heading sizes and font, but on the whole this is great work.
If it's a "print" do not add changing images. Now we have on first slot "Passport Photos" story with plinking photos, which makes me wanna click X ASAP...
This is excellent! I've been using it all day. I do wish it was a bit denser (similar to Drudge Report), but the product is neat enough as is. Congrats!
Very cool! Looks like it has an XSS vector though :P
https://i.imgur.com/5bbKiFc.png
This looks cool!
I now almost exclusively get my HN feed through a simple script I wrote to get desc sorted posts by score or trend (score/time): https://github.com/faroukfaiz10/hackernews-homepage
The result looks something like this ({score/time} - {score} - {link} - {comments link}):
Would be great to have the option to subscribe to a daily brief and read personalised recommended content in this format. Congrats on shipping
Love this project! I would love to collab, please consider open-sourcing this project, or let me know if I can contribute in some way
Looks really great, did you document the process or background of the project somewhere? I would love to read the journey!
It’s funny how frequently people try to reinvent the wheel re: how this site is laid out. It’s the best part about it!
This is such a cool idea! It’s like combining the tech-focused content of Hacker News with the classic feel
This is really cool! I'd love to help out if I can! Shoot me an email — daniel@shaped.ai
Very cool, seems like it updates on a delay though, which will probably kill usability.
This post is not even on it.
nice! I had building something similar a while back based on semafor [1]
[1] https://hackernews-semafor-duhw.vercel.app/
Amazing..and you're telling me you made this with less than 600 programmers?
Sadly the media="print" view does not provide usable output.
Is there a reason you chose not to display the comment count?
It looks like a funeral service webpage with those colors.
Nice. What algorithm is used for recommendation?
The images in the website are in grayscale.
Thank you for this!
This is super cool
Looks like the NYT
Love it!!!
This is nice, but I prefer the simpler style of hckrnews.com
This is pretty cool, thanks for sharing!
It's reminiscent in some ways of Slashdot of yore, which would include a slug describing the submission. One of my more persistent issues with HN is that the 80-character-limit title gives parlous thin information on whether or not a submission is worth reading. Additional microcontent, even just another 120-240 characters (10--20 words or so) often helps greatly, and your project demonstrates this.
Auto-selecting slugs is of course itself somewhat fraught, one example on the front page of YourHackerNews as I write has a slug beginning "This website is using a security service to protect itself from online attacks. The action you just performed triggered the security solution...", which is probably not what you'd prefer: <https://www.tokyodev.com/articles/the-english-paradox-four-d...>.
I'm not a fan of animations as noted in another comment. The "Passport Photos" story has a hero image which animates: <https://maxsiedentopf.com/passport-photos/>. One option would be to permit removing an item entirely from the layout. Hitting "X" on a story does not presently do this. HN itself has "hide" feature accomplishing this.
In general, I would strongly caution against auto-including images from sites, particularly as those can be pathways to future abuse, including the appropriation of the image-hosting site by unsavoury content. I'd run across an example from an earlier HN submission a few months ago, of the ever-more-aptly named "ShadyURL": <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41002786>.
On layout: Traditional print newspapers aren't merely an assortment of articles, or a ranked placement of articles, but an edited presentation of them. There's usually a top story, of course, but gathered around those will be stories related to the primary feature. See a recent archive of the (online) NY Times homepage for an example: <https://archive.is/HO7xW>.
Layouts are also grouped by topical sections. Again the Times demonstrates this (top news, analysis, opinion, "the great read", "the athletic", "culture and lifestyle", etc. The Guardian similarly, with several news blocks for top news, "headlines", "in focus", "spotlight", "opinion", "sports", "climate crisis", etc.
HN's news breakdown differs, though looking at the submitted sites, title, and in your case the slug should give some options for largely-automated story placement. I've done my own analysis of HN front-pages, and came up with a list of 47 categories of sites with > 17 front-page appearances (and a great many more without), totaling 16,185 classified sites.
Categories: programming (7719), blog (5506), media (816), science (635), news (344), comm. (227), government (129), software (127), video (78), discussion (73), interest (72), design (60), database (57), cryptocurrency (49), law (41), cybersecurity (25), technology (25), commentary (24), recreation (23), hardware (22), medicine (15), documents (14), military (10), literature (9), economics (8), publications (8), list (7), crowdfunding (6), education (6), webcomic (6), (wiki) (5), books (5), info (5), entertainment (4), environment (4), journalism (4), organisations (3), support (3), information (2), translation (2), humour (1), images (1), n/a (1), networking (1), podcast (1), society (1), ui/ux (1).
(I can provide the classification file on request, username at protomail.com.)
That provides pretty comprehensive coverage of the actual stories submitted (I'd had the exact factor once, I believe it's in excess of 90%).
Again: parsing of the titles and/or slugs (perhaps with an AI assist?) could give better classification. Sites such as Lobsters (<https://lobste.rs>) include tags and often have similar submission selections to HN, which might also be used to organise placement.
Another characteristic of traditional layouts is that the horizontal line is reset periodically. If you look at the NYTimes, Guardian, or other traditional news sites you'll find frequent use of horizontal breaks. I don't know if this is a peculiarity of mine or not, but I find that card-style summaries which are not randomly aligned vertically on a page are much easier to read.