The Low Stability of High Income

(ofdollarsanddata.com)

39 points | by williamsmj 9 months ago ago

19 comments

  • qzw 9 months ago

    Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery. — Charles Dickens, David Copperfield

    Good old Chucky D. was a financial guru before it was cool.

  • BizarroLand 9 months ago

    My friends think I'm crazy. I earn mid 100s, live in a cheaper home, don't live it up, and shop at thrift stores.

    This period of having high income is new to me. I used to be homeless, living in a truck, couch surfing, begging for money for food and gas.

    I'm terrified of losing it all, so I'm doing my best to not put myself in a situation where if I lose my job I lose it all.

    They're okay with rolling a $25,000 credit card debt from card to card to fund their life.

    I still pick up pennies on the ground.

    • romantsegelskyi 9 months ago

      way to go really, and it makes a lot of sense. It feels to me that background influences this thinking a lot, having grown up in rather poor circumstances, it is always on the back of my mind too

  • cbhl 9 months ago

    > how much could you conservatively make in a replacement job? If you set your current spending based on that level of income

    I didn't love the numbers in the article -- they assume $500k total comp, but the levels.fyi heatmap from a few days ago shows SFBA median total comp is $263k, with 64% being base so $169k. Federal taxes are 64k, state taxes are 21k. That leaves you with maybe ~$80k in liquid salary.

    A market-rate studio apartment is $2700-$3000/mo which is about $36k in annual expense. That's about half of your income. Add food and transportation and there's not much left to save for retirement or emergency fund.

    If for some reason you are in the lurch and have to start driving ubers or working at starbucks, you're not going to be able to afford the same kind of apartment that you need to do hybrid work and join meetings at a FAANG job.

    • jerlam 9 months ago

      Wouldn't your non-base salary (nearly $100k) be your savings/emergency fund?

  • ilrwbwrkhv 9 months ago

    Yes, this is quite true and one of the reasons I left trying to find a job and start my own business. With the business you actually have control over your life. And now I crossed more than I could have ever gotten as a salary by doing my own thing.

  • romantsegelskyi 9 months ago

    Looking back at my live, this is so applicable, and it's interesting to finally understand why. The main issue is that it's typically harder to secure a high-paying job, and the fact that one has it now doesn't mean that if the project/job ends, it will be as easy to get the same level of compensation. I've always been able to feel this instinctually, but have never been able to pin it down exactly.

  • matt3210 9 months ago

    RSUs and other vesting should be (as in, it would be nice if they did) prorated in the event of a layoff (assuming layoff here means no-fault separation).

    • brailsafe 9 months ago

      That would be the only situation in which I'd even consider them part of compensation. If I can't use it to pay my rent now, it might as well not exist, given the likelihood I'd never be able to realize them anyway.

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    • bigfatkitten 9 months ago

      Sometimes it is if the company feels generous, though even in countries with strong employment law these benefits have no statutory protection.

      One of my previous employers had a rule where they would vest all of my RSU if I were to die while employed there.

      • clipsy 9 months ago

        > One of my previous employers had a rule where they would vest all of my RSU if I were to die while employed there.

        Idle curiosity: Was that in lieu of or in addition to life insurance? (Most of my employers have had free life insurance with a payout of a multiple of base salary.)

        • bigfatkitten 9 months ago

          That's in addition. Just a goodwill thing that they did.

      • sam2426679 9 months ago

        I suspect most FAANGS have some kind of RSU vesting acceleration due to death. Amazon accelerates two years of RSUs upon death.

      • ThrowawayTestr 9 months ago

        Anyone fake their death?

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    • Jerrrrrrry 9 months ago

      Ukraine is an investment, Israel is our military/diplomatic/stregetic "All lie" in the Middle East.

      And a proxy war between Isreal and Yemen with the US and "everyone else" tagging in and out depending on civil/political trife seems likely, until the area is glassed by India and Pakistan.